shirleymckie.myfastforum.org Forum Index shirleymckie.myfastforum.org
To allow readers to post comments on current issues related to the Shirley McKie case
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Join! (free) Join! (free)
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 


FBI Slams SCCRC For "Incomplete Investigations"

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    shirleymckie.myfastforum.org Forum Index -> Test Forum 1
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Big Wullie



Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 1141


Location: Glasgow

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:44 am    Post subject: FBI Slams SCCRC For "Incomplete Investigations" Reply with quote

Agent Marquise is now telling us something I have said for years about SCCRC:

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman....-agent-slams-review-of.5251821.jp

Where have we heard this before:
Quote:

"Their 'investigation' was woefully inadequate because they never spoke with me or many others who could have shed some light on how we reached certain conclusions in the case," Marquise told Scotland on Sunday.


In many cases like Ed Milne, Wullie Gage and the Fernieside Three and my own case along with Jocky Robertson and god knows how many more.

They are continually not interviewing pertinent witness's able to cast doubt on cases and need to be brought to task over it.

I hope Lord Gill will include a review of SCCRC when they review the outdated Courts System.

I also hope Kenny MacAskill will look at the 11 page dossier I handed to him at the SCCRC conference regarding the lack of investigation into the cases I have mentioned above.

In Ed Milne's case they interviewed not a single witness apart from his lawyer, This is just not acceptable by todays standards.


FBI agent slams review of Lockerbie conviction


An aerial shot of property in Sherwood Park devastated by the wreckage of Pan Am flight 103

« Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryADVERTISEMENTPublished Date: 10 May 2009
By Tom Peterkin
Scottish Political Editor
THE Scottish legal body which cast doubt on the safety of the Lockerbie bomber's conviction has been condemned for carrying out a "woefully inadequate" investigation by the American FBI agent in charge of the case.
Richard Marquise claimed that the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission did not make thorough enough inquiries before it concluded that there were grounds for Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi to appeal against his conviction.

Marquise criticised the three-year investigation conducted by the SCCRC, the body responsible for looking into potential miscarriages of justice, because they failed to speak to him or other key people involved in the case.

"Their 'investigation' was woefully inadequate because they never spoke with me or many others who could have shed some light on how we reached certain conclusions in the case," Marquise told Scotland on Sunday.

"As a 31-year investigator, I could never had gotten away with conducting such an incomplete inquiry."

His intervention will pile more pressure on Alex Salmond and his Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, who face the dilemma of what to do with the man convicted of killing the 170 people who died when Pan Am Flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie 20 years ago.

Libya has called for Megrahi to come home under the terms of a Prisoner Transfer Agreement, but the ultimate decision lies with Scottish ministers.

Salmond has said the decision will be a "judicial one", not be influenced by international politics or economics.

Megrahi, who is suffering from terminal cancer, would have to drop his action at the Court of Appeal in Edinburgh in order to go home.

If Salmond were to agree that he could go back, it would provoke a furious backlash in America, where many of the relatives of those who lost loved ones during the atrocity are convinced Megrahi was responsible.

Ever since Megrahi was found guilty in 2001, doubts have repeatedly surfaced about the safety of his conviction.



_________________
http://justiceforwulliebeck.webs.com/index.htm

http://williambeck.blogspot.com/

http://williambeck.wordpress.com/about/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
david



Joined: 01 Mar 2009
Posts: 52


Location: edinburgh

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject: FBI slam SCCRC Reply with quote

Hopefully this kind of critisism will make people more aware of the SCCRC's incompetence regarding their investigatory skills.

They are a complete joke and bring shame to this country.

David

http://www.freewebs.com/ferniesidethreecampaign/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pat A. Wertheim



Joined: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 71


Location: USA

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I'm going to stick up for the SCCRC on this one. The purpose of the defense filing an appeal is to bring new information before the appellate authority on behalf of the convicted person. The appellate authority is not supposed to re-hear all of the prosecution evidence. If they approve the appeal based on new evidence from the defence, then there is supposed to be a retrial. That's where the prosecution gets to put Agent Marquise on the stand again. For the SCCRC to have called on him and relied on his evidence in deciding whether to grant an appeal for Mr. al Megrahi would have been the greatest injustice of all.
_________________
Pat A. Wertheim
foridents@aol.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
david



Joined: 01 Mar 2009
Posts: 52


Location: edinburgh

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: sccrc and lack of utilisation of investigatory powers Reply with quote

I agree the SCCRC got the megrahi decision correct in referring the case to the Appeal Court but my concerns arise from the fact there is a blatant clear picture of witnesses not being interviewed who should be interviewed relating to other cases.

For example - they obtain expert opinions on some applicants cases, but at the same time fail other applicants who have the same grounds by not obtaining the same expert opinions..

In my case I was convicted of rape yet the complainer's mother intimated to a member of the Scottish Parliament and a Sunday Broadsheet journalist that her daughter may have made the whole story up.  This was clearly fresh evidence important to the question of the complainer's credibility, which was the cornerstone of the case. The SCCRC did not investigate this fresh evidence or interview the MSP, Journalist or the mother.

They are not only expected to investigate everthing that is submitted to them. They can use there iniative and investigate other avenues not submitted by the defence in the interests of justice. Re- HMA v Graham Gordon. Every avenue should be pursued in the interests of justice but the SCCRC are coming up short by not fully utilising their investigatory powers.

They give some cases more of their time and budget whilst others are being poorly investigated.


David



David
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pat A. Wertheim



Joined: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 71


Location: USA

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi David

Actually, I think you help to make my point. The appellate authority (in Scotland, I believe that must be the SCCRC) should hear all of the new evidence presented by the defence to decide whether there should be a new trial. The prosecution should have only a very limited right to argue against the appeal.

But the appellate authority should hear every scrap of new evidence the defence wishes to put on. If the scales are to be tipped to the side of the innocent man, if the measure is "better a guilty man go free than an innocent man be convicted," then the scales must be tilted in favor of the defense. In the case of an appeal, that means that the defense should be granted broad right to present evidence while the prosecution is restricted in presenting witnesses.

To have interviewed Agent Marquise in considering whether to grant an appeal would have been a gross violation of this concept. To recall him to testify at a new trial if an appeal is granted is entirely proper.
_________________
Pat A. Wertheim
foridents@aol.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Big Wullie



Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 1141


Location: Glasgow

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with david here,

SCCRC profess to give every case a High Standard Of Probity, Impartially and Independently which quite clearly in some cases is nothing but uttter lies.

Like in Megrahi Tim Valentine was asked for his opinion on Gauci's evidence yet the only evidence against me was two Dubious Identifications and Professor Valentine is not approached.

I had to beg him to do a report Pro-Bono after the SCCRC refused to refer my case.

This cannot be seen to be Independent nor Impartial and certainly shows they give more High standards of Probity to some cases while not to others.

Not once have any experts ever been asked their opinion of David's case either despite the evidence of the Forensic Expert being open to challenge.

It is a bit like Shirley McKie, if she had not had the money to pay for your opinion, Scotland would not have granted her legal Aid for it.

Infact I think Shirley ended up paying a fortune in legal bills, did she not ?

There is a severe reluctance even within SCCRC to pay for expert opinions.

David's case clearly shows the police had the injuries down as "Minor" yet the expert used by the Crown at Trial claimed it was the worse case she had ever come across.

She also claimed she had never examined someone who had had sex with three men before, so how could she give her expert opinion in this case then.
How can she say what the results of Sex with three men would be on a Womans body ?

Some serious questions need to be asked why in some cases experts are used, yet in others they are never asked.

I am very surprised agent Merquise was never asked his opinion because most of the cases I have looked at from SCCRC, they have decided them on the Crown's evidence without looking into the defence case.

Which is totally opposite from Megrahi



_________________
http://justiceforwulliebeck.webs.com/index.htm

http://williambeck.blogspot.com/

http://williambeck.wordpress.com/about/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    shirleymckie.myfastforum.org Forum Index -> Test Forum 1 All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum
Thanks to everyone who has supported Shirley over the years.Debt Consolidation|Recreation 2007