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Fingerprint Society: Open letter to members

 
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Iain McKie



Joined: 08 May 2007
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Location: Ayr, Scotland.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Fingerprint Society: Open letter to members  Reply with quote

Dear Member of the Fingerprint Society,

‘Pause for thought.’

I have spent the past 11 years fighting experts from the Scottish Criminal Records Office who by wrongly identifying two fingerprints in the 1997 Marion Ross murder investigation brought my daughter to the edge of suicide and condemned an innocent man to life in prison.

The experts have never admitted being wrong but have over the years been comprehensively proved to be so and have been forced out of the Scottish Fingerprint Service. In recognition of the disastrous effects their mistakes had the Scottish Government paid my daughter ₤ 3/4 million in compensation and are negotiating with David Asbury re a possibly even bigger settlement.

A judicial enquiry is about to be announced that I hope will examine among other things whether these experts were incompetent or criminal in their actions.

This weekend in Southport the Fingerprint Society Chair Martin Leadbetter will attempt to have one of their number Fiona McBride elected to the central post of editor of ‘Fingerprint Whorld’ to further a personal agenda that, it could be argued,  has little regard to the reputation of the Society or the future of fingerprinting as a science.

Perhaps delegates should ask Mr. Leadbetter just what agenda he is following and why the Society and its members are being used to promote it.

Best wishes,

Iain McKie
iain.mckie@onetel.com
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Nought Justice



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All who worked at this fingerprint office in the mckie case should be hung
editor of another job is too good for discredited workers and will only cause resentment.
do what the romans would have done and fling them to the lions
but then again the lions have done nothing to deserve a bunch like them
bring back hanging for them
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Iain McKie



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I can understand the frustration caused by the SCRO expert’s behaviour over the years I cannot align myself with the destructive comments above.

If we wish to persuade objective experts that electing Ms McBride to the important post of Editor of the ‘Fingerprint Whorld’ serves neither the interests of the Fingerprint Society nor the fingerprint profession then we must do so by logical argument and debate.

I am willing to open all my files to any expert who still doubts the SCRO expert’s guilt and to answer any questions he or she might have.

As ever I can be contacted at iain.mckie2@btinternet.com
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Nought Justice



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain Mckie

While i agree with your comments my own comments above are just merely phrases which you have taken out of context
i do not intend to be offensive or derogatory and my comments are meant to express my feelings towards wrongdoing and wrongdoers and while i say bring back hanging we all know this will never happen and while i say fling them to the lions although it make me feel better and gets matters off my chest people are never going to be flung to lions nero is long dead
your forum gives us all a voice to express our views and i thank you for this
chill
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Iain McKie



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Nought Justice,

Like you I feel the forum has a useful purpose in allowing people to let off steam.

If we are to bring about change however it must be about more than this and must incorporate the opportunity to bring forward suggestions and ideas that will challenge the status quo.

What many people have missed in the fingerprinting debate is the harm that the SCRO debacle has done to the credibility of the ‘science’. Here we have a number of experts being allowed to sustain the fiction that they were right in two misidentifications for over 11 years. Instead of being treated like pariahs the ‘Fingerprint Society’ now seeks to endorse them in the face of overwhelming evidence that not only were they wrong but that some of their number might be criminals.

Just imagine the comfort that this must bring to the critics of fingerprinting.

In the mind of some objective viewers the appointment of one of these experts as the editor of arguably the world’s foremost fingerprint journal only serves to threaten the position of fingerprinting as a forensic science. The Society by failing to challenge incompetence and dishonesty re-enforces the critics view that instead of a science we are dealing with opinion and artistic subjectivity where ‘experts’ can legitimately come to different ‘opinions’ and that both are correct.

The recent ‘Souder’ judgement in America could yet have serious repercussions. While I continue to maintain that fingerprinting in the right hands is a science and an invaluable crime prevention and detection tool this judge’s thought processes are based on a completely valid interpretation of the present state of knowledge re fingerprinting in the wake of the SCRO and other scandals.

http://www.google.com/search?sour...r+ruled+that+fingerprint+evidence

Until the Fingerprint Society  puts its own  house in order, as urged by many of its own members, then such judgements will continue to be made and threaten the vast majority of experts who carry out their duties with diligence and honesty.

Best wishes,

Iain
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Nought Justice



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justice will be served mr mckie

i believe no lie will ever last or rest the following case shows that even the old flying squad where corrupt but eventually found out

http://www.ccrc.gov.uk/CCRC_Uploa...TAYLOR_AND_BROWN_-_12_JULY_00.pdf

i am suprised there has never been cases like this coming to the fore with issues of scro fingerprint evidence
i mean for so many workers to be sacked i would have thought this would have lead to more appeals on the unsoundness of their evidence

is this the real reason for their continual denials

do any of the readers know of any case which followed the mckie fingerprint debacle

has any real investigations bein carried out
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Big Wullie



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain

Whilst I agree that fingerprint evidence and detection is a much needed science in preventing crime i think it will be a long time recovering from Shirley's and now the other cases like Van Der Vyver etc.
I fear it may never recover and in light of the Souder Judgement, What judge is ever going to place reliance on fingerprints?

Anyone facing trial now on fingerprint evidence needs only cite these cases or even just the mention of them to the jury would be enough to put doubt into their minds.

Nought Justice might be right when he asks: is this the reason for the continual denials, Do they fear complete meltdown once the whole cover-up is exposed.

I personally feel they could have saved some integrity had they admitted their mistake from the beginning. (And a whole load of money too)

McBride being put forward as the editor of "Fingerprint Whorld" is an affront to the fingerprint world considering she was sacked from SCRO.

I agree to an extent that they should be "flung to the lions" not the way i would have put it but they deserve to be punished.
I hope when it is revealed at the Enquiry the extent of their continual denials and cover-ups and criminal activities they have participated in, they are charged with Perjury, This would be our equivalent of flinging them to the lions.

Iain uses the words some of them might be criminals, I would say they are Criminals and acted Criminally, How else would Joke McConnell have paid out £750.000 and Boyd resigned
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Iain McKie



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite Chairman Martin Leadbetter's reassurances to all who complained about Ms McBride's elevation to editor of ‘Fingerprint Whorld’, all is not well within the Society. A number of members are known to be concerned that the up and coming Judicial Enquiry into the SCRO debacle will reveal just what a bad decision this was for the Society and fingerprinting.

Mr. Leadbetter was well warned and in Sunday’s article in the ‘Scottish Sunday Express’ it was noticeable that he made no comment. As I warned in my open letter to Society members he is pursuing a ‘personal agenda that, it could be argued, has little regard to the reputation of the Society or the future of fingerprinting as a science.’
http://shirleymckie.com/documents/PrintSociety6April051.pdf
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Nought Justice



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain MCKie

The express article again highlights the culture within this fingerprint society to continue as if they done no wrong
i hope this affair comes back to bite them all and their magazine loses at least half its subscription
i mean after all who would want a disgraced and sacked expert on their books!!!

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