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Big Wullie
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: Megrahi's Appeal For Bail |
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Here you can see some of Megrahi's grounds of appeal and hear Professor Robert Black speak.
http://www.theherald.co.uk/misc/print.php?artid=2466217
Avizandum means they will decide later and they have not expressed how long this may take, He could be out tomorrow.
Personally I would like to see Megrahi being released via the back door of Greenock Prison away from all the media hype and taken to join his Family at a secret Address where he can be left to die with his family and a bit of dignity and peace.
I think humanely this is the least he should expect and after all Libya have given assurances that they will not allow him back while on bail.
We have nothing to lose and plenty to gain worldwide by showing the world we can make our own decisions and not be influenced by America.
Wonder what the views of the new American President are ?
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W.Roughead
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 120
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I feel strongly that he will be released.
Dr. Swire was perfectly correct when he stated that the palliative care in Scotland is excellent. He is also correct in stating that further stress will bring about a more rapid deterioration in his condition and increase his pain levels, as drugs will be less effective in attacking the pain.
I know the above from personal experience within my own family.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming days. _________________ “Send not to know for whom the bell tolls – it tolls for thee.” John Donne. |
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Angeline
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: Efficient? |
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On October 22nd, in response to a post on this forum, I sent emails to Alex Slamond and Kenny McAskill calling for the release of Mr Megrahi on compassionate grounds.
Last night, three weeks and a day after I sent that email, I received a response from an underling, telling me I'd sent my email to the constituency office, rather than the Parliament.
Did they forward my message? No - they told me to contact the parliament directly.
In these days of Information Technology, you'd think the equivalent of "lost in the post" or "in the wrong department" would be redundant excuses for doing nothing - apparently not.
It probaby took longer to type out the excuse and send it to me than it would have done to simply forward my message. As for the three week delay, god help anyone needing an urgent response from our great leaders! _________________ As long as one heart still holds on, then hope will never really be gone |
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W.Roughead
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: |
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I totally agree.
I am, however, in no way surprised at this. _________________ “Send not to know for whom the bell tolls – it tolls for thee.” John Donne. |
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Angeline
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Me neither. The reason I posted this is that it struck me we're all so used to this sort of thing, there's a tendency to shrug and think, Ah well, it's just what I expected.
I know we can't be picking up on every little detail all of the time, but I think it's worth, every now and again, pointing up that it is, in fact, all of these little details which allow them to gradually get away with bigger and bigger failings! _________________ As long as one heart still holds on, then hope will never really be gone |
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Big Wullie
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| W.Roughead wrote: | I feel strongly that he will be released.
Dr. Swire was perfectly correct when he stated that the palliative care in Scotland is excellent. He is also correct in stating that further stress will bring about a more rapid deterioration in his condition and increase his pain levels, as drugs will be less effective in attacking the pain.
I know the above from personal experience within my own family.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming days. |
How can the courts now claim he is not in pain and refuse his application ?
The message is abundantly clear : Nil Compassion In Scotlands Court Structure.
How can some convicted murderers be granted interim liberation while others aren't
Yet Kenny MacAskill is trying to convince the world that Scotland is a great place to do Business.
Perhaps Kenny should be pointing out how long justice takes when matters go belly up too. Years and Years, Decades Even
Stuart Gair's case took 7 years to reach appeal after SCCRC referred his case.
This in our modern day is totally unacceptable and we should mount a massive protest to let our Government see this is indeed intolerable |
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W.Roughead
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Stuart Gair's case took 7 years. Can you imagine if Stuart Gair or anyone else had been in a USA jail, how much longer the appeal process would take?
I mention this fact because there are those who seem to compare the Justice system here with that in the USA. Not a good analogy to make.
I totally agree with you in respect of what you have said re Kenny MacAskill. Kenny is in a job he should not be doing, along with many others.
Nevertheless, believe me compared to the system in the USA, 5, 7 or even 10 years is nothing when it comes to appeals. _________________ “Send not to know for whom the bell tolls – it tolls for thee.” John Donne. |
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Big Wullie
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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W.Roughead
| Quote: | | Nevertheless, believe me compared to the system in the USA, 5, 7 or even 10 years is nothing when it comes to appeals. |
Normal Appeals do not take this long generally here though there are some coming on close to it now.
It is when the High Courts are being told by SCCRC that they may have made a mistake the wheels of justice grind ever so slower.
You seem to know that much about American appeals, How many times can they appeal and how long is it till they get their first appeal heard.
My understanding is that when fresh evidence surfaces they can continually appeal, Is this correct ?
They also seem to have more independent appeals than we have here because they do not ever go back to the same Judges nor any of their Families to deal with. |
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W.Roughead
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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In the normal course of events Wullie, appeals here do not take too long, as you rightly point out.
A first appeal in the States can take weeks, months or years. _________________ “Send not to know for whom the bell tolls – it tolls for thee.” John Donne. |
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Big Wullie
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Another point on the American appeals, their Judges are elected and not by a tap on the shoulder from their colleagues.
They are elected by the People
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