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fatzdomingo · Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Posts: 1

I have heard that Strathclyde Police produced an edited video tape (an extract from a previously viewed longer tape produced in Court) as evidence for a case that was used to undermine a Crown Witness. ie much was apparently made of a missing segment whereby the Defence went to great pains to suggest that a 16yr old boy (Witness for the Crown) was mistaken as what he, the witness, claimed in evidence could NOT be bourne out by the tape. - of course not if the evidence was tampered with and a segment removed or merely edited out.

Think of the enormity of this allegation if true, that Police misled a Court thereby perverting the course of justice, provided the means to undermine a crown witness, stuffed a fiscal - who they are meant to be working for, and to what end?

Perhaps the answer is somewhere in:- to assist in the failed prosecution of a defendant who happened to be a serving police officer.

Expect the fiscal who is looking at this to prosecute - if true, expect transparency and justice, I won't hold my breath. If any fiscal prosecutes any cop for perverting the course of justice you may as well throw away the keys to Barlinnie, as you will be emptying it on appeals. And THAT is always the real reason that any alleged corrupt practice amongst police or fiscals is never brought to Court. Justice must always be SEEN to be above approach, a thin visual veneer over a corrupt system, better that the public never find out, isn't it?

Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 1149 Location: Glasgow

Hi Fatzdomingo

I take it you cannot name the case referred to above ?

Strathclyde police being the biggest in Scotland, yes this is enormous and has huge implications.

The police will do all in their power to hide this type of info from the public and perhaps Crown Office might not want this info in the public domain either.

A bit more detail of what happened though might get a better response.

To put forward edited tapes to Crown Office is Tantamount to Perjury and to submit such as evidence knowing they were tampered with is even worse.

Look at Lord Frasers comment about Gauci in the Megrahi case, He put him forward as a "Credible & Reliable Witness" to later claim he wasn't the full Shilling.

It has later transpired that Gauci was also paid £2 Million from the FBI, Very easily lead was he eh ?

Fiscal · Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Posts: 111 Location: Edinburgh

fatzdomingo, are you suggesting that the Scottish Police Service and/or the Crown Office & Procurator Fiscal Service are corrupt??
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Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 1149 Location: Glasgow

Fiscal

To quote your own comment here:

Fiscal · Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Posts: 111 Location: Edinburgh

Resign !!! you are funny.

I "side" with my colleagues because I have to - Shirley McKie has been PROVEN in a court of law as Innocent! Crown Office respect that.

Perhaps I wasn't clear - I Side with them in terms of how they handled the situation BASED ON THE FACTS provided to them.

Now my friend, are you a PFD, or indeed Crown Counsel, do you or have you worked in Crown Office or indeed any Procurator Fiscal Office, are you aware of how cases are prepared and dealt with? My guess is no so kindly refrain from criticising an organisation for which you hold no real knowledge of!
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Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 1149 Location: Glasgow

Fiscal

To naturally side with colleagues is wrong and Corrupt.

You admit to doing this and being part of Crown Office so yes Crown Office are corrupt.

Justice must prevail at all times and our courts have a duty to make sure this happens.

Truth & Justice is the aims of our courts is it not ?

Fiscal · Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Posts: 111 Location: Edinburgh

I am more than within my rights to question decisions of my colleagues (behind closed doors) What do you expect would happen in ANY organisations if their employees were openly criticising it! there is no "rule" from Crown Office to the effect people will never shout it - it is just common sense. One PFD is not going to change an entire organisation.

In terms of Fiona McBride the evidence pointing to her signing other initials didn't come out until after a marking decision had been made in respect of Shirley McKie - at that time I was not a solicitor nor a crown servant so that is purely my personal knowledge - i may be wrong.
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Fiscal · Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Posts: 111 Location: Edinburgh

I will never agree that Crown Office is corrupt.

I agree mistakes happen - but it is not corrupt.
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Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 1149 Location: Glasgow

The corruption starts when they are not man enough to admit to their mistakes.

Of course mistakes will always be made where humans are involved but some of us admit to our mistakes others fear the public perception and will never admit their wrongs.

A bit like you are saying now, "You will never admit"

Fiscal · Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Posts: 111 Location: Edinburgh

I will admit my own errors it is not for me, a JUNIOR member of staff to stand up and say - Look Elish you got it wrong here....

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