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Iain McKie



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:37 am    Post subject: The Impact of Lockerbie  Reply with quote

On or about the 27 June a matter of cataclysmic importance to all those who value Scotland and its justice system will take place. The report of the SCCRC in respect of the trial and conviction of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi for the Lockerbie bombing will be revealed.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk...,2104971,00.html#article_continue

As the Observer article concludes:

‘Politically the ramifications of the commission's decision are enormous, posing questions for both British investigators and the Scottish judicial system. In addition, the decision will add succor to the theories that Megrahi was framed for a crime he never committed.’

Dr Jim Swire writing to the Herald observes:

‘It does seem to me that if the SCCRC refers the case back, as many believe it will, then it will become vital in due course for Scotland herself to address the question of why this verdict came to be reached in the first place. An inquiry with the power to do this has been denied us by the UK establishment for many years.’

I will be joining Dr Swire in calling for an enquiry and believe that everyone who has had reason to doubt our justice system over the years should commit themselves to such an enquiry.

Did Lord Advocate’s Hardie and Boyd and colleagues at the Crown Office, Ministers for Justice Wallace and Jamieson, Heads of SCRO Harry Bell and John McLean and senior police officers and others who were leading players in Lockerbie and the SCRO fiascos prevaricate and cover up? Was the culture revealed by these cases responsible for the many injustices that have been highlighted on this forum?

Does the political will now exist to examine whether the Scottish justice system has for years systematically and knowingly failed those who relied on its integrity and honesty?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iain, the case of the lockebie, bomber is one that has shook the justice system in more countries than scotland.

even bringing shirley''s name into it there is a need to find out was the scottish judges pressed by america , the goverment here, or the cia , fbi.

iran was the most likely suspect but if america turn round and say they did it it would play into there hands as they want to invade iran sooner or later.

megrahi is just a pawn in the works at the time libya, throught american eyes needed brought down a peg or 2.

this man should stay in greenock prison and walk out a free man, but? if he is freed what are the ramifications on our justice system.

lord hardie was the judge at brendans trial even mentioning locherbie in his summing up .

the goverment are running scared because to let magrahi go is going to be there downfall.

yours
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Al



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Yet still nothing was done ... Reply with quote

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Some quotes from this "murderous and heinous" covered up case ... at the murky hands of Messrs Salmond, MacAskill, Ms Sturgeon and their SNP "Government":

"The best years of his life have been completely wasted, ruined and destroyed and can never be given back to him... NOTHING will ever compensate for what's happened to him now...

"I'm glad to see I wasn't the only journalist who failed ****, although I would like to be able to say that someone in my profession had helped him... "

Freelance "Investigative" Journalist
March 2005


__________

Yet still nothing was done.  To the detached observer it seems at best incredible, and at worst heinously negligent, that no-one  properly intervened.

__________

When you are fully informed of any wrongdoing, criminality and injustice, and you choose not to properly act and intervene to put an immediate stop to that wrongdoing, criminality and injustice, then you too are undoubtedly complicit, culpable and guilty for your actions or inactions.

__________

... even one injustice in Scotland is one too many [Yes ... this case IS one injustice too many Iain, as you rightly say.  An appalling travesty of justice then, that NOBODY did a thing about.  So much for all those so-called champions and crusaders against injustice!]

To sin by SILENCE when they should protest makes cowards of men

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil [and INJUSTICE] is for good men to do nothing


Indeed ... no names, but there are many out there, those so-called "champions against injustice" and "brave, bold, respected, honest and investigative" journalists, who should search their consciences over this appalling case of abuse, neglect and INJUSTICE ... and hang their heads in SHAME (... on you all).

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Big Wullie



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qc William Taylor

As you are all aware he was the same QC which i have complained of for 25 years see:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=425979886&size=l
Concluive proof of this fact that from the day i was convicted i complained about his Incompetence and Negligence and Defective Representation of me at trial.
That said, My task now is even larger, i believe only because: He then went on to get Megrahi Convicted.
My exact words to Robin Johnston of SCCRC were that our Government were not going to allow me to win my appeal and Blacken the Character of Taylor because of his Lockerbie Connection.
Not at all Mr Beck was his words.
Well.... He never interviewed my witnesses.
Told me he had sent relevant documents to my Solicitor when he clearly hadn't.
Refused to apply their current law Policy to my Grounds.
Refused to answer or even ask my defence team Why they never called crucial Forensic evidence at my trial.
The money they have spent on Lockerbie is enormous yetin my case they refuse to even interview pertinent witnesses but can claim their evidence is Hearsay.
Hearsay i was told was not admissable in court by SCCRC which is a Joke. It is very admissable and people are still bing convicted on this evidence alone, Like Patrick Docherty and Brendan Dixon.
It was evident that i was not going to get a fair hearing from CCRC from the outset and this was my reason for tape recording a lot of conversations i had with Johnston over the phone.
In another conversation he tried to convince me that because of the age of my case Crown office no longer held Material relating to it.
This clearly is not the case and one can see exactly what he asked crown office for in this regard at:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=423646695&size=l
Not a very lot if you ask me?
It was then very clear what was sent in the following letter:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=423643211&size=l
Copies of all reports of ID Parades which thre was two.
SCCRC are now claiming they were only sent one and it was the one i Attended. The other one which i claimed proved that the policeman that identified me as the driver also identified a Stand-In positively at the second ID Parade, SCCRC did not want me getting this.
The same as the evidence of Louise Morris, One minute crown have details the next it is gone.
I am afraid that their investigation into The Megrahi case is also going to be flawed in respect of Taylors handlig of his case and this too will be covered up by SCCRC.
After all Taylor once sat on this Commission.
At least when Megrahi Appeal to SCCRC he resigned and this can be viewed at:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=428218696&size=l
Please note the small print on the righthand side with his reason for resigning.
I was not afforded this same Independence and Impartial robust Investigation that they profess here.
Taylor still sat on the Board of the commission whilst they investigated my grounds.
What does this tell you.
I agree with Iain and will Back the calls of Jim Swire for an investigation not only into the Megrahi case but also into the conduct of SCCRC
I read with great interest the other day in the sun, Let ockerbie Con Go Home To His Family.
Jim Swire has to be admired for his conviction and beliefs that Megrahi was framed, I have never in my life seen someone so convinced of someone's Innocence, More so when his Daughter was a victim in all of this sorry mess our Government have let themselves in for.
This alone should make our Government ask the serious questions in the Lockrbie case.
Another question to be sked is the length of time they have taken to decide this case. Like my own the SCCRC took three years to decide my case yet interviewed only a handful of witnesses if they did that much. No thorough investigationinto my grounds infact my grounds were covered up by SCCRC, They have i can prove referred cases with fractions of the evidece i provided them with.
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PeterCherbi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm looking forward to the release of the SCCRC report on the Lockerbie bombing trial, although as a long time skeptic of the legal system, I'd have to wonder if certain parts of the report have had to be altered given the change of political administration at the Scottish Executive .. no longer perhaps can the likes of the SCCRC rely on support from the Executive and thus the power to fudge any conclusions, which have normally been the case in the past.

I hope the political will does exist to bring the changes we need - although I doubt there is the judicial will to do too much in the way of reforms - and noticing a few of the 'open letters' from the likes of ex-judge Lord McCluskey to the Scottish Executive & Justice Minister particularly in the Scotsman recently seem to reinforce the long time policy of the Scottish Judiciary against any fully independent inquiry, or any change whatsoever - at the point of threat.

There are already plenty examples of judicial resitance & threats 'in the wild' so to speak, even against SNP Chaired Committees of the past years, particularly I remember well when the 2001 Justice 1 Committee "regulation of the legal profession" inquiry sought initially to look into the role of Sheriffs and parts of the judiciary in it's inquiry remit, submissions which you can find on the Parliament's archive site here : http://www.scottish.parliament.uk.../inquiries-02/just1-lps-index.htm

What happened next was the Sheriff's Association sent a blunt, threatening letter to the then Justice 1 Committee Chaired by Christine Grahame advising them if they did investigate the role of Sheriffs, they would end up in Court.

The letter, from Sheriff Lockhart, was discussed in private, a decision then taken to exclude Sheriffs from the inquiry, and eventually the letter was published on the Parliament's website here at : http://www.scottish.parliament.uk...uiries-02/j1-lps-pdfs/lps-094.pdf

We saw these legal threats against the Executive and Parliament,again last year and this year. from both the Judiciary and the Chief Executive of the Law Society of Scotland, Douglas Mill - which I have covered on my blog.

What we have to get out of in Scotland is being enslaved to the legal system- or perhaps rather those who run it and serve it, use it a s a business model for profit, and use it to influence public & political life to the point of maintaining the silence on injustice such as Lockerbie, such as Shirley's case, such as all our cases - which would threaten to bring the house down on those we campaign against if the interests of transparency, honesty & accountability were ever applied in full as they should be.

The SNP administration can't afford to let this chance slip by to do something, and I think all that is going on just now, our campaigns, the ability to speak out, these issues such as Lockerbie now back in the public eye, etc ... all produce the best chance for change, and I'm sure the SNP know if they don't do something, they will never be elected again.

The writing is on the wall against injustice I feel - and against those who seek to maintain injustice for their own personal profit & ends. It's now up to the Executive and Parliament to do their duty for Scotland, for us the public, and not buckle under threat or intimidation which has for so long held madam justice hostage in a culture of injustice.
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Al



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Yet still nothing was done ... Reply with quote

Quote:
Some quotes from this "murderous and heinous" covered up case ... at the murky hands of Messrs Salmond, MacAskill, Ms Sturgeon and their SNP "Government":

"The best years of his life have been completely wasted, ruined and destroyed and can never be given back to him... NOTHING will ever compensate for what's happened to him now...

"I'm glad to see I wasn't the only journalist who failed ****, although I would like to be able to say that someone in my profession had helped him... "

Freelance "Investigative" Journalist
March 2005


__________

Yet still nothing was done.  To the detached observer it seems at best incredible, and at worst heinously negligent, that no-one  properly intervened.

__________

When you are fully informed of any wrongdoing, criminality and injustice, and you choose not to properly act and intervene to put an immediate stop to that wrongdoing, criminality and injustice, then you too are undoubtedly complicit, culpable and guilty for your actions or inactions.

__________

... even one injustice in Scotland is one too many [Yes ... this case IS one injustice too many Iain, as you rightly say.  An appalling travesty of justice then, that NOBODY did a thing about.  So much for all those so-called champions and crusaders against injustice!]

To sin by SILENCE when they should protest makes cowards of men

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil [and INJUSTICE] is for good men to do nothing


Indeed ... no names, but there are many out there, those so-called "champions against injustice" and "brave, bold, respected, honest and investigative" journalists, who should search their consciences over this appalling case of abuse, neglect and INJUSTICE ... and hang their heads in SHAME (... on you all).

_________________
Do not be afraid of them therefore.  For everything that is now covered will be uncovered, and everything now hidden will be made clear.  What I say to you in the dark, tell in the daylight; what you hear in whispers, proclaim from the housetops.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: The Impact of Lockerbie Reply with quote

As ever the thoughtful debate going on is a tribute to the contributors.

Some of you might be aware of the American fingerprint website run by Kasey Wertheim that has been covering issues related to the SCRO affair for years.

The latest debate on Lockerbie and the SCRO cases will be of interest to you at:

http://www.clpex.com/ Detail Chat Board.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With "The Impact of Lockerbie" going to be a HUGE news story next week (and beyond), i thought it would be useful to post the Google News and Web links for quick access to the latest headlines re this most appalling "Miscarriage of Scottish JUSTICE" (and probable "Fit Up") at the hands of the Scottish Crown Office, and Scottish and UK Governments:

Google News
http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=...Megrahi+Lockerbie&btnG=Search

Google Web
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...ahi+Lockerbie&sa=N&tab=nw
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Swire, a Briton whose daughter Flora was on board Pan Am 103, told Reuters: "What I heard in Zeist convinced me that neither of those two men was guilty as charged ... I think that Megrahi and his ilk are a convenient fall guy for the people who really did it."

Swire believes the United States was keen to shift blame on to Libya, and away from Syria and Iran, in order not to derail efforts to free U.S. hostages being held by Iranian-backed groups at the time of the Lockerbie bombing.

He said that after the appeal had been heard, Scottish authorities should call an independent inquiry with subpoena powers to investigate what he called "a deliberate perversion of the course of justice for political ends". [Hear, hear]


He added: "I'm incandescent with rage about it [and who can blame him?], because all we want to know is who murdered our loved ones."

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Libyan to learn next week on Lockerbie appeal bid
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKL2184957420070621

The question we have to ask about Lockerbie case - Dr Jim Swire

http://www.theherald.co.uk/misc/print.php?artid=1480549

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Lockerbie News Update
http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=...Megrahi+Lockerbie&btnG=Search

The Lockerbie Connection
http://www.google.com/search?sour...Aen&q=Shirley+McKie+Lockerbie
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.sccrc.org.uk/viewfile.aspx?id=289


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