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freethekillie2



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Websites of injustice. Reply with quote

would it not be good to link all injustice sites here.


http://www.bringsihome.com/

http://www.annierockstar.com/

http://www.samhallam.com/

http://www.barrygeorge.com/

http://www.justice4chrisnudds.co.uk/


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Iain McKie



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many such websites and the problem is sorting out the genuine from the false as their numbers grow. There is little doubt that many represent legitimate miscarriage of justice cases but often it is difficult to make such an assessment.

Credibility is extremely important if any justice website is to be successful and achieving this is difficult.

If our aim is an entirely new Justice website for Scotland then this is what we should be working towards. It will be separate from this website and will require to be professionally created, maintained, researched and monitored.

When the judicial enquiry starts this website will make regular evidence updates available and it is my intention to attend and report on every session. Of necessity the time I can devote to such a new website venture is going to be limited.

I see the website creation going hand in hand with the postponed conference next year and hope that we can interest some creative talents to this end.
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freethekillie2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True Iain.

But i can only say with the killie 2 it is up to the browser reading it and then they decide if they are guilty.
like a lot of cases it is up to the browser to have an open mind on things, a pro website is a must.

it would help a lot on this forum and others.
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scotkaz



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain McKie wrote:
There are many such websites and the problem is sorting out the genuine from the false as their numbers grow. There is little doubt that many represent legitimate miscarriage of justice cases but often it is difficult to make such an assessment.

Credibility is extremely important if any justice website is to be successful and achieving this is difficult.

If our aim is an entirely new Justice website for Scotland then this is what we should be working towards. It will be separate from this website and will require to be professionally created, maintained, researched and monitored.

When the judicial enquiry starts this website will make regular evidence updates available and it is my intention to attend and report on every session. Of necessity the time I can devote to such a new website venture is going to be limited.

I see the website creation going hand in hand with the postponed conference next year and hope that we can interest some creative talents to this end.


I hope and pray that we can have a Justice for Scotland website. With the cases of Scottish Miscarriage of justices detailed on it.

It is something we really need.

It does take a lot of work and research but it would be a worthwhile project.

What would also be a great thing to have in the future would be a historical listing of past cases, cases which have been overturned.
Would be good for research purposes.

Another idea I have had is that when there is a case or cases in which law students and journalism students could assist with.

This has been highly successful in the States.

Glasgow Uni and Edinburgh Uni have wonderful law departments. As does Strathclyde.

Student Unions have various campaigning sections also and are good to get into with leaflets and actions to help people suffering injustices.

Students and law departments often have lectures on justice etc and many times if asked they would host something were speakers etc can go and get more cases involved.

My personal experience tells me we need to make people suffering injustice real to people.  We do this with photographs etc and talking about their injustices as much as possible at conferences etc

I have a whole host of ideas and sorry if I am rambling on right now, but my brain is going faster than my fingers at the moment:)

While working with cases in US I noticed something. Many campaigns have everything pertaining to the cases. From Indictment to trial transcripts, appeal denials and also if the defence lawyer is agreeable, all filings of legal briefs the defence make. It gives a much more balanced view of cases when this happens.

I wish we here in Scotland had some of the same sort of system.

I will shut up for now.Smile

Karen x
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Big Wullie



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Aims For Justice Website

We actually need to concentrate on the Law we know Scots Law
What use are we to people in England when their Laws are different and we have no understanding of them ?

Scotched Justice
What a great name for the many Miscarriages in Scotland.

We actually need somewhere people can get help with the simple tthings we take for granted like filling out forms etc etc.

We need a site dedicated to helping people understand the issues at hand ie: appeal procedures.
When to appeal
What grounds are available
what grounds our Courts "are willing to accept"
What courts to appeal to like: High Court, Privy Council, House Of Lords and when to appeal to Europe.
What limits are put on times to appeal.

9 out of 10 miscarriage might not be able to read or write never mind be able to fill in forms and applications to organisations.

A site with successful appeals will give people an idea of what constitutes grounds of appeal, like for instance what is an Anderson Appeal.
What is a Failure to Disclose evidence Appeal.

Despite current case Laws our Appeal Courts are turning away appeals saying the evidence denied to the juries have not deprived accussed people fair trials, Such cases must apply to European Courts Of Human Rights but must be done within 6 months of final determination by our Courts.

Europe do not recognise SCCRC as a final appeal so any appeal to Europe must be done within 6 months of Appeal Courts refusing any appeal.

After my wrongful conviction in 1982 and my hearing for leave to appeal, I was not advised of any of my rights to appeal any decision or any appeal to Europe or Nobile Officium Appeals.

Any website or Organisation set up must concentrate on these issues and help people to understand their rights of Appeal and points of Law.

I am willing to give up as much time as is needed to set up such as I have mentioned above.
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scotkaz



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine who is still fighting her miscarriage of justice in England, has another replay of the documentary on the Crime and Investigation Channel on Sky and Virgin
Innocent As Charged: Susan May
Sunday 26 Oct 2.00PM


http://susanmayisinnocent.blogspot.com/

http://www.crimeandinvestigation....Innocent_As_Charged_Susan_May.htm


At 9.30am on 12th March 1992 Susan May left her house to visit her elderly Aunt, as she did every day, three times a day. However this would be her last visit and one that would ultimately change her life forever.

Upon arriving at the house, Susan opened the door and was horrified to find Aunt Hilda spread across the downstairs bed, naked from the waist down and her face beaten beyond recognition. Fourteen months later and she was in prison serving life for murder.

Susan spent twelve years inside some of the harshest and most unforgiving prisons in England before being released. She was not cleared of her crimes and remains a murderer in the eyes of the law.

The question remains as to why she was convicted in the first place. There is no smoke without fire after all. Surely the British legal system would not put somebody inside if they were innocent, especially someone who was such a loving, caring person, for whom 80 local people volunteered to give a character witness.

Susan May was convicted because she was unbelievably naïve, pure and simple. She trusted the police to do the right thing. She hired her family solicitor to represent her even though he had never before handled a murder case and had no experience of criminal law. She had no specialist witnesses, no exhibits to back up her claims, no defence case whatsoever and nobody to challenge the police version of events. She simply relied on the fact that she knew she was completely innocent of all charges and hoped that a jury would see this, offering herself up as a lamb to the slaughter in the process.



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