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Big Wullie



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:32 am    Post subject: Support Register Of Interest For Judges  Reply with quote

You can see my support here:

http://scottish.parliament.uk/Get...tions/registerofjudicialinterests

PDF Here:

http://scottish.parliament.uk/S4_...E1458_M_William_Beck_17.07.13.pdf

Please support petition PE1458.

Can I also suggest that anyone who has had a judge not declare an interest write to the Public Petitions Committee to highlight this issue.

I am sure there are plenty of you out there.

The Clerk of the committee e-mail address is as follows:

Ms Anne Peat@

Anne.Peat@scottish.parliament.uk

Please support this by adding your voice and any conflicts that have ever arisen.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely Lord Drummond Young presiding over claims against the Catholic Church while all the time attending Red Masses with Lord Gill raises a conflict of interest.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:42 am    Post subject: bang out of order Reply with quote

bang out of order - these judges should hang their heads in shame. lets support tighter controls as a matter of fairness to all. i have made my submission this morning, for what its worth and it can be read here:-

Support Scottish Judge's Accountability:

http://sccrc.info/showthread.php?tid=21358
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unbelievable arrogance

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard through the grapevine that Moi Ali is giving evidence to the public petitions committee tomorrow considering this petition.

Keep an out for it. It may be online but I do not have the correct link as yet

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/newsandmediacentre/3168.aspx
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotland's top judge criticised over refusal of register of interests

Scotland's most senior judge has been accused of displaying an 'Edwardian establishment disdain for the hoi polloi’ by rejecting calls for a register of interest for the judiciary.

Conservative MSP Jackson Carlaw questioned whether ‘the swish of judicial ermine and velvet should cow into deference both the public and the legislature’ and deter them from investigating the family and social relationships of the judiciary.

The first person employed to review judicial decisions has backed a petition for a register of interests for the judiciary to log family links, social connections and memberships of relevant bodies at Holyrood's Public Petitions Committee.

Moi Ali, the Judicial Complaints Reviewer, said her position is toothless, she operates on a shoestring, works three days a month maximum and has no authority to challenge judicial decisions.

She also claims she has no authority to get feedback from the Lord President, Lord Gill, on how her recommendations are handled.

Lord Gill, Scotland's most senior judge, declined the committee's invitation to address the petition and the devolved Parliament has no powers to make him to appear.

The judge will instead meet the committee’s convener, David Stewart and his deputy Chic Brodie, in private.

Protection of privacy and concerns about ‘media harassment’ are central to the judiciary's objections to the register, the committee heard.

Ms Ali challenged the judiciary's insistence that the judicial oath to assess cases impartially should be enough to instil confidence in the legal process, claiming: "It clearly isn't.”

She added: "We are not talking large numbers but issues have been raised about undeclared family relationships and memberships of a variety of organisations."

It is ‘difficult to argue’ that politicians and other public figures should have registers of interests but the judiciary should not, she said.

Ms Ali also said one complainant said his appeal was heard by the son of the judge who presided over the trial, while it is suggested that judges ‘change their names to hide their family links to other judges’.

She added: "Most of the letters I receive express the feeling that people are in cahoots, that they look after their own and the whole thing is a big cover-up.

"I don't believe generally that it is but because there is no transparency, people believe that is the case."

Ms Ali outlined her duties and experience since being appointed Scotland's first Judicial Complaints Reviewer two years ago.

She explained: "I'm a bit like an ombudsman without the teeth in that I can review the judicial office's handling of complaints but I don't have an ombudsman's power to make any determination other than that complaints were handled in accordance with the rules or not.

"It's a part-time role, three days a month maximum and I operate on a shoestring budget of #2,000 a year."

The reviewer's remit was agreed by the Scottish Parliament in The Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008. Ms Ali said: "My concern is I might feel that the rules haven't been followed, send it back to the Lord President and then never know what happens. I feel somewhat as if my hands are tied because I can make suggestions but I can't do anything more than that.

"Recently there was a case I referred back which, I was told, would be reinvestigated but I didn't hear anything more. I asked the judicial office what had happened and they said they couldn't tell me because it was a matter for the Lord President.

"I've written to the Lord President asking what I can expect, because I am unhappy about referring things back and not knowing what happened."

The Lord President is not subject to freedom of information laws, she pointed out.

Mr Carlaw said: "From this committee's perspective, I think that what has been the focus of our attention here has been the Lord President's Edwardian establishment disdain for the hoi polloi, as I think the petitioner sees it, in terms of us having any right to understand these matters.

"I wonder if you would put it more politely, but it does seem to me that you're not a million miles away from characterising it this way. Is it still the case that the swish of judicial ermine and velvet should cow into deference both the public and the legislature in terms of our right to understanding these issues?

"In this day and age, the reason that the Lord President appears to be against it is that it has not been so to date."

Ms Ali responded: "I'd like to be as colourful as you are but I feel I can't at the moment. In any institution, in any sector, change is not always welcome, particularly change that is seen to be quite challenging.

Most institutions resist that as it is seen as something of a threat, when actually I prefer to see it as an opportunity.

"More transparency in any area of life can only be a good thing. I know that there can be a downside, and I have read the judiciary's response to the petition which is that it is 'intrusive and could attract negative media reaction', but that goes hand in hand with accountability."

Mr Stewart said: "We did ask the Lord President to appear before us and the Scotland Act has a provision which states that the judiciary cannot be required to appear before the committee.

"The Lord President is next door at another committee. If the Lord President wishes to go voluntarily that is entirely up to him. However, we have made arrangements for myself and the deputy convener to meet the Lord President in a few weeks' time."

Lord Gill was giving evidence to the Justice Committee's scrutiny of the Tribunals (Scotland) Bill on Tuesday.
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/23987...refusal-of-register-of-interests/
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co...in-for-hoi-polloi-87085-33857154/
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk...ttee/Minutes/Minutes_20130917.pdf

PUBLIC PETITIONS COMMITTEE
MINUTES
15th Meeting, 2013 (Session 4)
Tuesday 17 September 2013



1. PE1458 - a register of interests for members of Scotland's judiciary: The

Committee took evidence from Moi Ali, Judicial Complaints Reviewer. The

Committee agreed to write to Dr Kennedy Graham MP, New Zealand

Parliament, the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, the Scottish Court

Service and the Scottish Government. The Committee also agreed to consider

the debate that took place during the passage of the Scotland Act 1998 on

section 23.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I note that they used a letter from Wullie Beck in the petitions meeting today


Agenda item 1
PE1458 Note by the Clerk PPC/S4/13/15/1
PRIVATE PAPER PPC/S4/13/15/2
William Beck Letter of 17 July 2013 PE1458/M



William Beck Letter
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk...E1458_M_William_Beck_17.07.13.pdf


http://www.scottish.parliament.uk...ting%20Papers/Papers_20130917.pdf
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fXNetOm2ow


Moi Ali gives evidence to Public Petition Committee in relation to a Register of Interests for Judges

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