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Big Wullie



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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:55 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

This Dunbar case you have highlighted David could be relevant to Gage V HMA.

The court have basically admitted that they did not rely upon a partial identification by the victims wife so the only other evidence against Gage was DNA and FDR.

I do not accept DNA found in a car proves Gage was in that car on the day of the murder.

The FDR also did not prove conclusive either as they could not say for definite it was the same found at the scene.

If the video recently posted on youtube is anything to go by then we know witnesses were conservative with the truth.

I know Police Witnesses spotted McAlroy's car in Bellshill when witnesses claimed to have seen it in Cambuslang.

They cannot all be correct.

You know the old saying about Cameras ?

They never lie, so I would tend to believe the police CCTV evidence showing Madden & Edgar could not have seen McAlroy being followed by a white car in Cambuslang if he was spotted in Bellshill by Police CCTV Cameras at the same time in Bellshill.

This evidence about seeing McAlroy being followed by a white car must have been very persuasive to the Jury yet flawed for many reasons.

The times relied upon were backed up by times they topped up their phones at a garage so Madden & Edgar are limited to their evidence which they cannot backtrack from.

Brian Patrick Shivers was another case showing DNA found on removable  objects is unreliable because they cannot be dated.
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fail to see how anyone can be convicted after police are caught getting experts to harden up the case against the accused.

Obviously the jury at this trial were not told the same as Monaghan's

Will upload the image later from Sunday Mail.

For some strange reason I cannot upload Images the way I used to on this forum.
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The image can be viewed here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/justice_1/

The first item is the one I am referring to.
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unbelievable Wullie,

How many other cases have the police pushed experts to massage their findings to bolster the prosecution?

Lets face it police officers lie every day in our court rooms.

What is equally disturbing is this recent article alleging the possible Double Jeopardy of Ross Monaghan. Has the report into this case ever been disclosed?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news...arroll-murder-prosecutors-5795325
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frank wrote:
unbelievable Wullie,

How many other cases have the police pushed experts to massage their findings to bolster the prosecution?

Lets face it police officers lie every day in our court rooms.

What is equally disturbing is this recent article alleging the possible Double Jeopardy of Ross Monaghan. Has the report into this case ever been disclosed?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news...arroll-murder-prosecutors-5795325


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Has the report into this case ever been disclosed?


Not as far as I know and I would not expect it to be released either.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think about it........................

You have just murdered someone.

Would the police find FDR in your pockets when they arrest you ?

No Chance, unless you are arrested at the scene.

Every stitch of clothes you had on while committing murder would be burnt.

It happened to a guy I knew years ago.

He stabbed someone, went home and burnt every stitch of clothes including shoes and socks.

The police found blood of the victim on his clothes he was wearing a week later lol

I do not accept the finding of DNA on a bag proves someone placed a gun in that bag.

Like the other trial the low copy DNA could have come from transfer after the way the forensics were handled by the Detective Super-Intendent Michael Orr.

If he forgot to ask for the bag the guns were in then exactly at what stage did he get the bag and how did he retrieve it.

The forensics in this case is just a shambles.

Surely they were not wearing the same clothes when arrested.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite the furore about fingerprint evidence the fact is that gun residue and DNA traces are more easily planted and their origin more doubtful.

Once the police have a named suspect and that person has a criminal background then there are all sorts of pressures to make sure the case sticks.

The present love affair with DNA is a sure way to success.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another point I would make to my above comments is this.

If someone is denying a crime they simply cannot stand up and say "But I Was Not Wearing Those clothes Then" because they are denying even being there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

surprise surprise

Forensic report in "Gerbil" murder case branded a "whitewash"

http://www.heraldscotland.com/new...urder_case_branded_a__whitewash_/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Report-

https://www.gov.uk/government/upl...a/file/495395/617_Report_v1AR.PDF

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