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Iain McKie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

New and potentially damaging evidence has been produced at the Fred van der Vyver trial that throws doubt on the prosecution forensic evidence

http://www.blogsouthafrica.net:80...22/inge-lotz-murder-new-evidence/
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Big Wullie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Forensic Evidence To Be Trusted.

With all these cases coming to the fore, Are we to trust anyone now who says they are experts?
Certainly with this case Albeit In South Africa, Shirley's, Ashbury's etc etc they have given all the experts a red face.
With the DNA in the Dixon and Docherty not matching any of them it should be used to prove their Innocence as much as it is peoples guilt.
Over the years we have all trusted Fingerprint and now Forensic evidence, What Now with so many discrepencies amongst the experts?
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Alan McNamara



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: South African Case Reply with quote

I am Alan McNamara, the man wrongly convicted of burglary and sentenced to 30 months in jail, and referred to in an earlier posting by Iain McKie.

Having read as much as I can on the internet about the South African case, I can confirm that the alleged scene of crime fingerprint evidence is seemingly almost an exact replica of the evidence against myself.

With my case it was quoted at appeal by the appeal court judge that the only link between myself and the burglary was the disputed print. This print was said to have come from the flat surface of a jewellery box moved during the course of the burglary.

Defense experts argued the fingerprint lift could not possibly have originated from a flat surface. The creases and folds in the lifting tape were indicative of a lift from a curved surface. To this day we do not know the true origin of the lift, but an innocent explanation would be entirely plausible if the prosecution could provide the true object. It appears at the trial and indeed ever since, that the onus has been upon myself to find the real source of the lift.

The parallels to the South African Case are clear to see. With my case it was a jewellery box, with Fred's it's a DVD case. With both cases, without this disputed "expert evidence" there is no case to answer to.

Whether the case against Fred has been a deliberate set up by the South African Police, or ,a simple labeling error by the scene of crime officer remains to be seen, but I for one, from the information I have, detect clear doubt...and that's what it's all about isn't it???
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Iain McKie



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear from you Alan.

If you feel it would be worthwhile I would be happy to post a case study showing the background to your case.

The parallels with the South African case are indeed worrying and from today’s postings it appears as if the judge is not prepared to believe the prosecution witnesses might have it wrong or even have lied.

I will post a more comprehensive analysis tomorrow.

http://www.blogsouthafrica.net/
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Big Wullie



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Injustice's In General

It would seem that we are all the same, Our police forces have the incestuous nature of trying to get witnesses to say exactly what they (The Police) want them to.
To acheive this our Police resort to the old Tactic of intimidation, As they did in my own case with a certain witness.
The following is an exert from the news linked above:
As a result I decided to just tell the truth as I saw it, but all the time I was petrified of being charged with obstruction of justice or some other charge.
Petrified the witness claims to have been.
How can it be that witnesses are under this strain when being asked material and key questions in any trial?
As i said above about my own case i will leave it on this note.
My wife was met with two Prosecutors, "Two Year" into my six year sentence who said to her: If you dont tell us Wullie committed this robbery you will be charged with Perjury.
Needless to say she was charged with Perjury but Acquitted.
Wonder what worried the Preosecutors two years into my sentence?
I will be doing a short take on her case soon for the forum.
Alan like Iain its nice to see a fresh name contributing on the forum and i hope you continue to contribute and discuss the many issues now appearing here.
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Iain McKie



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the defence case proceeds and fingerprint evidence has been led refuting the prosecution case other experts are being called to testify.

http://www.blogsouthafrica.net:80...lotz-murder-the-shoeprint-expert/
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the trial proceeds allegations of wrongdoing by the investigating authorities mount.

The evidence delivered by fingerprint and footwear experts has been devastating. Without the forensic testimony the case against Fred is circumstantial at best.

With powerful alibi evidence still to be heard it will be interesting to see if and when the court addresses these allegations.

For the latest from the court see:

http://www.blogsouthafrica.net/category/inge-lotz-murder/
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To read the expert testimony during the South African trial go to:

http://www.shirleymckie.com/docum...ExpertevidenceSouthAfrica2doc.pdf
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just received this disturbing e-mail from a friend of Fred van der Vyver who is on trial for murder in South Africa.

'To all friends and supporters of Fred, A very alarming development in the case against Fred van der Vyver is an opinion poll run by a major Afrikaans newspaper, Die Burger (Translated = "The Citizen") in South Africa.

The question being asked is whether people think Fred is guilty or not. Not only is it in poor taste, but imagine the effect this must have on him and his family.

It seems as if an orchestrated campaign is being run by a relative small group of negative people and I am appealing to his friends to support Fred and send him a positive message by taking part in the poll. If you support Fred and believe in his innocence please pass this message on to everyone you can trust with this issue.

The website for this poll can be found at:

http://www.dieburger.com/Pages/polls.aspx

Select the poll next to Fred's photograph with the title:

Fred - Skuldig of nie? (Translated: "Fred - Guilty or not?")

Then a page will open where you can vote.

"Skuldig" = "Guilty" or "Onskuldig" = "Innocent"

If you can pass this message on to ten or more trustworthy friends, we can turn the tide. You may add information about the case to people who may not be as well informed about the case.

Thank you,

Andrew.
Friend of Fred.


You can only imagine the effect on Fred, his family and supporters and while I consider such polls contemptible I have registered my vote:

"Onskuldig" = "Innocent" at

http://www.dieburger.com:80/Pages/polls.aspx

http://www.dieburger.com/poll.asp?loid=15.0.3046240681

I urge you to do the same.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This ia a particularly cruel window into public opinion for Fred and his family. Every stitch of evidence indicating guilt was fabricated by the police. Every bit of real evidence proves Fred did not and could not have killed Inge Lotz. The real killer has confessed, only after the police had stitched together the case against Fred and fabricated "conclusive" proof, so the confession was dismissed by the police as the rantings of a drug addict in withdrawal.

The attitude in South Africa seems to be the same as voiced to Shirley by a stranger in the grocery store a few days after her acquittal -- "I recognize you! You're the one that got off with it!" In other words, if the police have arrested you for a crime, you must be guilty. If all of the experts outside the police department say the evidence is false, then they must be nothing but paid prostitutes.

The verdict in Fred's case may not be announced for another six weeks or more. The terrible mental anguish his family is going through cannot be imagined by anyone who has not also gone through it. Shirley and her family know. Alan and his family know. David Asbury and his family know. Big Wullie and his family know. Alan and Big Wullie, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, still stand guilty in the eyes of the law. But even Shirley and Fred and David stand guilty in the eyes of many anonymous faces in the crowd, simply because they were arrested. How many others are there who lacked the resources to even have a single word of mention in the press, but are still as innocent as Shirley and Fred and Alan and David and Big Wullie?

If you have feelings about the case, please follow the instructions on Iain's post above and add another small voice to the "not guilty" column. "Not Guilty" is currently ahead by about 60%, but that means 40% of South Africans prefer to believe the Police rather than the evidence.

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