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Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 1149 Location: Glasgow

This case really takes the biscuit But unlike the case of Kevin McLeod there will now be a massive enquiry into how this man became stuck in a hedge right in front of his house but could not be found.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news...ge-for-two-months-86908-20877795/

Certainly shows up Lothian & Borders Police

The Scottish Sun:

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/s.../homepage/news/article1907404.ece

The second photo shows a relatively small hedge which one would not expect to be able to hide a body within.

There must be more to come from this story.

W.Roughead · Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 120 Location: Scotland.

This story amazes me!

Here we have a man who disappeared on August 30th. We had a terrible summer, but it was summer nonetheless, did his decomposing body not attract flies?

Anyone, within an arm's distance should have been able to detect the odour of decomposition.

Utterly amazing!
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Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 1149 Location: Glasgow

The Incompetence continues to shine through at L&B

"Lost A Couple Of feet From Home" would best describe the headline

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman....ce-probe-after-missing.4675431.jp

What's the bets someone will have to resign, yet poor Kevin McLeod's family have fought for an enquiry into the serious incompetence in the investigation into his death without any success.

We must look after thine own though is the moto from the police and heads will roll for the incompetence here I have no doubt
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W.Roughead · Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 120 Location: Scotland.

I would imagine that the McLeod family will be pushing even harder, after hearing about this.
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allan mcleod · Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 157

W Roughhead & Big Wullie.

Thanks for your comments.

Yes, without hesitation another force will investigate the incompetence by L&B in this another very sad case.

Why will the Chief Constable not do this with Kevins case ??

I think we all know the reason why.

Why wont he as instructed by the FOI Commissioner release the names of the officers based in Wick at the time of Kevins death.??
(Yet, he is prepared to spend thousands of taxpayers money to defend this decision at the Court Of Session.)

Reason he wont instruct another force to investigate his forces failings- -
For he along with all the other bilge rats will be scurrying out the exits
(with their pensions intact). Like the other 4 senior bilge rats in 2002.

Oh yes, and Kevins killer(s) would then probably be exposed.

Angeline · Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 148

Forgive my cynicism, but the only reason, in my opinion, they moved so swiftly to launch an investigation was because this was the father of one of their own - too many others, like Kevin's family, bear testimony to the absolute intransigence of police forces who have got it totally wrong, and think they can just cover it all up.
This is not, of course, the only example of massive incompetence by L&B. The Luke Mitchell case shrieks of incompetence - how could this force have "eliminated" other suspects before they had any of the facts about these other suspects, and before results of any forensics/dna tests had been received? How could they possibly explain taking clothing from one member of the search party but not the others (especially when semen from one of the others was found on the body?) How did they explain away not holding an id parade, and instead showing photographs which actively highlighted LM, especially when their "chief" id witness failed to identify Luke Mitchell in the dock?
Actually, on second thoughts, maybe this wasn't incompetence. Maybe this was a very competent exercise in choosing one suspect, and building a case around him?
However you want to look at it, there's barely a force in Scotland that isn't tainted with the stink of incompetence or failure to properly carry out their duties in some way or another. I was interested to see that they "chose" to ask Strathclyde to investigate - wonder what favours are owed there?
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Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 1149 Location: Glasgow

Angeline

I am not sure I got this right:

Are you saying in the Luke Mitchell case that One of the others searching for her with Mitchell actually left Semen on Jodie Jones.

Did this come out at the trial because this is the first I have heard of this type of evidence.

I had heard also that they had found a used condom in the lane linked to another suspect, Is there any truth in that ?

I also heard the evidence of the one in the mental hospital, Was there any DNA links to him or was this the cousin who was actually seen near the lane that day or what.

I have never been comfortable with this conviction and even more so that Semen has been found on this young girl that was not Luke Mitchell's

Absolutely Appalling.

Ratcatchers are apparently doing a better job than Lothian & Borders Police right now, No surprise there.

PeterCherbi · Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 167 Location: Edinburgh

Angeline

Yes, very interesting .. the investigation on the Luke Mitchell case seems not to have been as thorough as some claim.

A closer examination of some of the key personalities connected with the investigation and their current status might raise a few questions themselves, but for that, a competent defence team is a requirement .. rather than the same old faces appearing before the same judges, case in case out, delivering the save verdicts ...
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W.Roughead · Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 120 Location: Scotland.

Nice to hear from you Peter.

Let's face it, quite apart from anything else. Luke Mitchell was tried in the media, long before his appearance before the High Court of Justiciary.

I do recall watching the BBC's Rough Justice programme, in which it was stated, that some of those involved in the search, did not hand over their clothes, as they could not recall what they wore that night. This is not verbatim, but as close as I can recall.

I have never been comfortable with this conviction either. Moreover, it was the media who first made the link with the Black Dahlia - which has been refuted subsequently.

I am one of those people who do not believe all I read in the newspapers, never was and never will be. I prefer to do my own research.

Others, however, will take a lot of what is written in the press and media in general as true, accurate and factual.

This is the danger. It also shows the power the press now has.
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Angeline · Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 148

A quick overview of some of the questions raised in the Luke Mitchell case:
Search party - LM, Jodi's 67 year old Gran, her 17 year old sister, and the sister's boyfriend. (If your 14 year old daughter had gone missing, woud you send her 17 year old sister and 67 year old grandmother out looking for her? There were a minimum of 6 male members of the extended family, who were closer to the path that night than granny and sister - not one of them was involved in the search.)
(1) Jodi's family members went straight to the path to look, taking a shortcut through some playing fields to get there. No phone calls were made to any of Jodi's friends (except LM) before that search party set off. Why not, and why did they go straight to the path, which they later claimed Jodi was not allowed to use?
(2) They set off armed with torches, so they knew before they left they were going looking somewhere where there were no street lights. Again, without checking out whether Jodi was with a friend somewhere, this seems odd.
(3) Semen from Janine's boyfriend was found on the Tshirt Jodi was wearing that night (it had been ripped off her body by her attacker.) The "explanation" - that Jodi had borrowed Janine's T shirt -was immediately accepted. Think about this for a minute - what teenage girl would lend, or borrow, a semen stained Tshirt? There was never any proof that the T Shirt belonged to Janine, except Janine's word. However, forensic evidence which was not used at trial, casts doubt on Janine's story.None of the family members' clothing was taken for forensic testing that night, although LM's was - none of his DNA was found at the scene, nor any of Jodi's on him. Clothing taken later from the grandmother (the only member of the search team to have touched the body) was never tested at all!
(4) The DNA from the condom was not "identified" until three years later, when an individual was arrested for an unconnected crime, and his DNA profile threw up a match in the national database. He provided a "reasonable explanation," and the matter was dropped. The "reasonable explanation" has never been made known, even to LM's team!
(5) Time of death was estimated (but never established) at around 5.15. One of Jodi's cousins was at the Easthouses end of the path at around 5 to 5, on a motorbike. He and another of jodi's cousins were then seen on the same bike at the Newbattle end of the path just minutes after 5pm. At 5.15, the bike was seen, riderless, propped against the wall at the now famous V. These two did not come forward until 6 days later, one of them had cut off his own hair, and they lied about the time they had been on the path, telling police it had been an hour earlier. The cops then eliminated them from the enquiry within 48 hours. At the point of elimination, DNA test results had not yet been received by the police, and statements from witnesses which proved these two were lying about the time had not been officially taken (although the cops knew about this evidence). The bike and clothing of those two were not tested. They were supposed to go and smoke cannabis with Jodi's brother that night, but never turned up, and offered no explanation why. One of them was ostracised by Jodi's family by the time of the trial, but neither he, nor any of the other family members, would explain why.
(6) DNA from five unidentified males was recovered from the crime scene, but this information was not disclosed at trial.
(7) By now, most people know that police had been told about another plausible suspect right from the off, but they consistently ignored the information, and failed to follow up that suspect.
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Jodi's body was released for burial before the police had any suspect. What that meant was, there could be no defence postmortem, because, at the time the body was released, there was no defence, because there was no accused. The only pathologist's report was the one carried out by the Crown (Prof Busuttil) - there was no way of double checking, or getting a second expert opinion, because the body had been released 8 months before LM was arrested, and 15 months before the trial began.
(9) The Dahlia "connection," although thoroughly discredited by now, actually has sinister undertones. L&B were aware of another suspect, who could be proven, categorically, to have an interest not only in the Dahlia murder, but in other forms of mutilation etc. It seems that, rather than pursue this suspect, and this line of enquiry, they simply transferred that info onto LM - one officer said, on the stand, that they had been told to search the Mitchell house specifically for anything relating to Manson/Dahlia. Jodi's sister was a massive Manson fan, and said on the stand that she did not think he was in any way "weird."
There's more - lots more, some of which will come out in the next few months, and much of which the powers that be are doing their absolute utmost to either "lose" or deny existence.
Sorry about the smiley where the number 8 should be - I don't know how it got there, and I can't get rid of it!!

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