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fightforjustice · Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 2

This particular fiscal, had been visiting her lovers caravan in Monifieth this paricular night, that is in fact where she consumed her alcohol, had driven her car, wasnt in control had stopped, it was then she attemped to text her brother, her defence is an absolute fabrication of the truth!!!! Had the crown office done its home work they would have discovered her husband was waiting on her return home, he had not thrown her out!! This would have cast doubt on her sorry excuse of a defence. She is also has a history of drink issues. The only victims here are her husband and kids.

Fiscal · Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Posts: 111 Location: Edinburgh

I take your points on board and if anything it has emphasised to me that there are two sides to every story. Howver, I take issue with your statement. In Scotland, any evidence going before a Criminal Court must be corroborated (i/e from more than one source), and credibility and reliability must be aplied. The Crown Case has to be proven beyond any reasonable doubt and must be taken by the court at its highest.

You claim that she had been drinking prior to driving - where is the corroborated credible and reliable evidence for that?

You claim her husband was waiting for her - I assume that was his side of the story.

You claim that she has drink issues firstly where is the corroborated credible and reliable evidence for that? Secondly, if true, that proves nothing other than that she is known to have drink issues, it doesn't show that she drove intoxicated. Not everyone that has a history of drink issues drives.

So it is simply a question of who you believe. But I will agree that her response to the police of "It's OK, I'm a fiscal" was utterly ridiculous - so what! Fiscal or no fiscal same rules apply to everyone. Would this be met in the same manner if these were identical circumstances to someone from a poor background or non legal background, I very much doubt it. REMEMBER we are ALL human and we MAKE mistakes.
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hard done by · Joined: 27 Apr 2009 Posts: 7

I'll tell you waht double standards are.

My mate who was a copper was arrested and charged for a Breach of the Peace and Assault in January. The salient points being

1- After a night out, he goes along with his mates to get some food. All three are blootered!
2- gets into an argument with the shop workers after they deny to give him the food he paid for.
3- Another member of the public enters and knows my mate as a cop. Starts goading him and arguing with him. He then grabs my mate by the shoulders in an attempt to "calm him down".
4- My mate then thinks he is going to get headbutted. He punches the guy.
5- Police are called, both other mates too drunk to provide any form of statement and are sent home. The "complainer" who is also pished, is told to remain with the cops as it has now become a complaint against the police.
6-Case goes to the Fiscal, 'remember' he was a member of the of the public when this happened and should be treated like a member of the public. If he was a ned it would've been red penned at the first opportunity and a warning letter sent to him. As he was a cop, he done the honourable thing and resigned but they still treated him as a cop for the duration of the case. Injury was redness to his eye.
7-Fiscal told his defence if he was a ned the case would've been dropped and if not dropped, he would've been asked to plead to the breach and not the other way around!!!!!

Now he has been to court and on the say so of his lawyer, pled guilty to assault to injury!!

Now that is double standards!!!!!!

I'm not saying that cops should get away with anything. What I am saying is this,

If you are on duty and commit an offence, then by all means be treated as a cop.

If you are off duty and are charged with an offence, then have it dealt with the same way a ned would be dealt with and then have an internal investigation!!!!

Why if you are in the police should you be treated differently from the joe public if you are off duty!!!!

I think the P.F/Crown office thing that as soon as a warrant card is issued, the individual becomes a robot and is no longer a human being with the same natural instincts that anyone has!

Rant over!!!!!

allan mcleod · Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 157

Hard Done By. I do sympathise with you do a degree where you state,

"If you are off duty and are charged with an offence, then have it dealt with the same way a ned would be dealt with and then have an internal investigation!!!!

Why if you are in the police should you be treated differently from the joe public if you are off duty!!!! ".

Well in our case we suspect an off duty cop along with others was involved in the unsolved death of my nephew Kevin Mcleod who was found in Wick harbour in 1997, with injuries that the patholigists described as being inflicted by a Kicking.

Any significant information we put to police regarding this issue is brushed under the carpet, or dealt with as complaints against the police. Thats how twisted and warped they all are.

As far as we Kevins family are concerned the cops are a law unto the themselves, who protect one another, even when an horrific murder as been committed involving one of their own.

Your mate obviously was not " in the elite boys club ". Otherwise, his case would also have been brushed under the carpet.

allan mcleod · Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 157

Boozed - up fiscal faces smash rap. car cops probe top prosecutor ...again

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/s...harged-with-careless-driving.html

fightforjustice · Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 2

Anne Hart Procurator Fiscal is again in the papers the Sun Page 13 only this time crashes her car! Whats the excuse now?

allan mcleod · Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 157

More corrupt scots cops

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/s...olice-officer-is-drug-dealer.html

A spokesman said: "The communities we serve demand the highest standards of honesty and integrity from our officers and staff. "Christopher McGinn failed to meet these standards and abused his position as a police officer".

( He's not the only bent cop in Scotland, - MODERATED OUT........... full of them).

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homep...-WPC-become-a-sex-mad-hooker.html

Thorne, 29, used her position as an officer to gain access to sensitive police files and obtain information.

( And yet again, another bent corrupt Scottish copper)

gustav51 · Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 16

Allan

I have a live petition at the Scottish Parliament entitled 'convicted police officers' which may be of interest to you( policed by criminals entry dated 17 April 09 on this forum refers)

This is due to be heard by the Public Petitions Committee on 6 October 09. There are several written submissions under Petition no 1252.

Hopefully some positive action will be taken to weed out the apparent ever increasing criminal element in Scottish Police forces.

Gustav51

allan mcleod · Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 157

gustav51

Nice one !!
It will be very interesting to see what the PCC outcome will be. Please keep me and others on this forum updated.

Good luck.