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scotkaz
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| Big Wullie wrote: | Scots Against Injustice
There will be no chance of Megrahi being moved to Libya then ?
Is this man any longer a threat to society.
These are the type of questions that would be asked by a parole board.
The fact Jack Mills passed away a broken man is not the issue for any parole board.
But then again it has always been the case in this country, that if you steal public money from Banks or Post Offices then you go to jail for longer periods of time.
Money has always been valued more than "Life Itself"
In my own opinion Biggs should be let out of prison, I do not buy this perception that he could be in contact with known prisoners if he was released either, The man clearly probably doesn't even know what day it is.
To keep someone like this in prison can only be for one reason "Revenge" for his escape and embarrassment he caused the Authorities.
This is wrong.
Revenge is no excuse to act Inhumanely |
I agree that this is revenge not justice.
As soon as I saw the picture of Ronnie Biggs, I thought of Al Megrahi and what chances he has of ever being freed to die with his family around him. The comparison to Megrahi is pretty obvious to me
Ronnie Biggs is no threat to anyone. they are more concerned that he embarrased them for so many years plain and simple.
While I do not condone what he and the 14 other men did, because Ronnie Biggs was not acting alone and people forget that, I think it is time to show some compassion to this man and his family.
It is sad that Mr Mills was injured and suffered. No one denies this.
the train driver was hit on the head with an iron bar,]causing a black eye and facial bruising.The assailant was one of two members of the gang who was never identified. Frank Williams (at the time a Detective Inspector) claims to have traced the man, but he could not be charged because of lack of evidence. Mills recovered but had constant trauma headaches the rest of his life. He died in 1970 from leukaemia and not from his injury in the robbery. There are so many myths about this case.
http://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detail/3290697/Hulton-Archive picture of Mr Mills after the robbery.
So it was not Ronnie Biggs who assaulted Mr Mills.
Thirteen of the 15 gang members were caught. They were tried, sentenced on 16 April 1964 and imprisoned.
Most served from 5 to 14 years for their part in the robbery.
Biggs served 15 months before his escape and was arrested on his return to UK on May 7, 2001, he has been in prison ever since.
Mercy and compassion go hand in hand with justice.
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Big Wullie
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Scots Against Injustice
Your chosen name suggests you fight against Injustice, Can I ask you: is it only Civil Injustice's you agree with or what ?
| Quote: | | Would you still want Biggs to be released had it been your father |
Yes I would not mind him being released, after all is this not what Rehabilitation is all about, to which I fully agree our country could do more.
Our Jails would be bursting to capacity with your policies.
As for your next statement:
| Quote: | | not at least until he had served the time he was meant to serve initially. |
Do you know out of his original sentence when he would have been eligible for parole ?
| Quote: | | unable to return to a job he loved again |
I think if I remember right he did return to work, Albeit for a short period of time.
| Quote: | | I do not see the relevance vis-a-vis Megrahi's case. |
Well do you think Megrahi should be sent home where he will be released ?
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Scots Against Injustice
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: Thank you both for your comments |
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Big Wullie
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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The words "Common Criminal" are ringing in my ears again but back then I thought it was coming from someone else who used this forum and indeed was led to believe so by one of your very close chums.
You are a nice buch of people you lot, please don't waste any more of our time and shout about MacAskill on your own forums, But then again you do not get many viewers to your own sites do you ?
Hence the need to come to this one which tries very hard to help real Injustices which you see as common criminals.
As for your other comment re :
| Quote: | | I have nothing further to add on these issues for now. |
You haven't answered many of the posed questions above anyway, Perhaps you are struggling, If you are finding any difficulty please just say so.
As well as being Innocent I think Megrahi should still be allowed to be transferred to be closer to his family, (Innocent or Not) Any other prisoner is allowed this, and have been for many years under PTA agreements.
We also have the compassion aspect too, but then again people like you with your opinions of Biggs allow those in Authority to thrive and gloat on cases like this.
They actually think this is what the public want.
If the Scots Authorities had nothing to fear then they would have let him out to remain in Scotland for the rest of his appeal.
I will never read any more of your posts never mind reply to you so this is my last bit of time you will ever take up, and I hope the rest of the posters fighting true injustices do the same.
You are an insult to people who want Justice, no wonder you could not progress your own case.
Al for what it is worth please accept my sincerest of apologies if I was wrong about the earlier posts I attributed to you.
I cannot apologise enough, but if you read the post above you will see I was coerced into thinking this was you by a certain individual who probably thought this was funny looking back on his character.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: I'm sorry you feel so aggreived and angry towards me |
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scotkaz
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/06/ronnie-biggs-release
Ronnie Biggs to be released from prison
The Great Train Robber Ronnie Biggs is to be released from prison on compassionate grounds, the justice secretary, Jack Straw, announced tonight.
Biggs, who is severely ill in hospital and being watched by prison guards, was told earlier today of Straw's decision, which will take effect from tomorrow.
"In this case, I have had to consider the medical evidence against well established criteria – specifically whether death was likely to occur soon and whether the prisoner was bedridden or severely incapacitated," Straw said.
"The medical evidence clearly shows that Mr Biggs is very ill and that his condition has deteriorated recently, culminating in his readmission to hospital. His condition is not expected to improve."
Biggs, who turns 80 this Saturday, was moved to Norfolk and Norwich hospital, suffering from severe pneumonia 10 days ago. After a series of strokes, he is bedridden, fed through a tube and communicates by pointing at letters on a card.
Although the decision to free him was made today, Biggs will remain on bed watch overnight.
The three Prison Service staff watching him will be withdrawn tomorrow, once the licence for his release is finalised.
Biggs, from Lambeth, south London, was a member of a 15-strong gang which attacked the Glasgow to London mail train at Ledburn, Buckinghamshire, in August 1963, and made off with £2.6m in used banknotes.
He was given a 30-year sentence but after 15 months he escaped from Wandsworth prison, in south-west London, by climbing a 30ft wall and fleeing in a furniture van.
Biggs was on the run for more than 30 years, living in Australia and Brazil before returning to the UK voluntarily in 2001, in search of medical treatment.
He was locked up in Belmarsh high-security prison on his return, before being moved to a specialist medical unit at Norwich prison.
When he was moved to Norwich hospital 10 days ago, his son, Michael, made a desperate plea for his father's release.
Tonight, Judy Totton, a spokeswoman for Michael Biggs, said: "He is absolutely delighted and he hopes that his father will survive long enough to see his 80th birthday on Saturday."
Biggs's legal adviser, Giovanni Di Stefano, told Sky News: "He is being released effectively to die and that cannot be considered a victory. But it's a victory for common sense and Mr Straw has made the right decision."
He went on: "This man is ill, he's going to die, he is not going to any pub or going to Rio, he is going to stay in hospital." |
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Big Wullie
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Had I been Ronnie Biggs I know where I would have told them to shove their Compassionate release.
Lets face it they could not refuse him then Grant the same to Megrahi could they ?
For my money they left it far too late and until he is not even capable of lifting a pen let alone sign any agreement, Is he not in a vegetative state Scotkaz ?
He wasn't expected to make this weekend hence the rush to get an agreement done before he dies and Megrahi is decided.
| Quote: | | Biggs, who turns 80 this Saturday, was moved to Norfolk and Norwich hospital, suffering from severe pneumonia 10 days ago. After a series of strokes, he is bedridden, fed through a tube and communicates by pointing at letters on a card. |
Surely Megrahi will have to be in this kind of state too before they release him then ?
| Quote: | | Biggs's legal adviser, Giovanni Di Stefano, told Sky News: "He is being released effectively to die and that cannot be considered a victory. But it's a victory for common sense and Mr Straw has made the right decision." |
Common sense told me he should have been released weeks ago but then again common sense does not come into these types of decisions.
They are all decide politically.
Wonder how much resistance Straw will put up to Megrahi being released then.
Should Megrahi be in the following state before he is considered for release under Compassion ?
| Quote: | | "This man is ill, he's going to die, he is not going to any pub or going to Rio, he is going to stay in hospital." |
I think the whole UK government are far too anxious to see the Back of Megrai because their Incompetences and Fit up Tactics will be shown to the world.
I have no doubt Megrahi will be treated differently and believe he should not drop his appeal as he is Innocent.
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