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Big Wullie
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Could Y7 be that of Gary Gray ?
From the Enquiry it is clear someone is not telling the truth of whether or not Gary Gray was eliminated from the Print Y7:
| Quote: | If I can move on now to one particular matter which
16 is the issue of Mr Gary Gray, until revealed in the
17 context of this Inquiry referred to on page 64 yesterday
18 it was unknown by those I represent that there was a
19 suggestion that Gary Gray had perhaps deposited a
20 fingerprint at about the point that Y7 was found.
21 It is clear that Mr Moffat who was assisting in
22 moving Marion Ross' body thought that Y7 could in fact
23 be that of Gary Gray. It was understood from other
24 statements that Gary Gray's fingerprints were compared
25 against Y7 by Charles Stewart. Mr Moffat was told by
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1 Mr Hogg that that was so.
2 Gary Gray states that he did not provide elimination
3 prints. Charles Stewart says he did not ever compare
4 Gary Gray's prints against Y7. Mr Moffat says he felt
5 threatened when he raised the issue. |
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kevin donald
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Sami
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Its nice to see that Patrick Docherty was totally exonerated as a suspect and so publicly too.
he was fully investigated by police at a higher level and totally exonerated.
Which confirms totally what Pat said all along. Thanks for posting this link because I probably wouldnt have seen it otherwise.
So that is now the end of that particular rumour about Patrick Docherty. |
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kevin donald
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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The reason for putting them up is one thing only to see and let others see the operational methods of Strathclyde police.
I have looked at Mr Heath's witness statement and all the others and also see the name Goggins who i have been told about, and would like to know more about.
Many things can come out of this inquiry the most important thing is did the police eliminate everything and follow procedure.
It also shows that Disclosure was not given to David Asbury's defence. |
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Big Wullie
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As an observer at the enquiry today I am appalled at the evidence I heard
A scene of crimes expert claimed his partner touched a door post exactly where Y7 was found and later attributed to Shirley by the Incompetents at SCRO.
He went on to say his partner touched the spot exactly where Y7 was found and he pointed it out to his partner who it also transpired (would you believe it) "had a left thumb Torn on his latex glove" You really couldn't make this stuff up.
If it wasn't such a serious case it would be the biggest laughing stock I have ever witnessed.
It has not been aired yet whether or not Gary Gray's print was checked against Y7 or not but surely after hearing the evidence today of Mr Moffat one would have thought this would have taken priority when Y7 was being checked.
Wonder what Pat Wertheim would make of the two prints given an opportunity to compare them (Y7 and Gary Gray's left thumb print)
It also emerged today that the investigation centred wrongly on Suicide originally, and not Murder, which allowed teams of Police to use the Living Room area and potentially contaminate or destroy evidence which should have been preserved, No wonder they are not wanting this enquiry ? It clearly shows the incompetence of the most senior investigating officer Mr Heath.
He is the one who overall should have made sure the crime scene (which we heard today was basically the house) was secured and evidence preserved, which clearly did not happen at this scene.
Who knows what tomorrow will bring, but one thing is sure the enquiry is really getting hot.
Page 56, 9-14 of todays evidence is as follows:
Yes, that's correct. When I looked up Mr Gray was
10 standing leaning on the doorframe with his left hand.
11 Q. With Mr Gray facing into the bathroom or out of the
12 bathroom?
13 A. He was facing out of the bathroom. I think he was in
14 conversation with another officer that was there.
59, 11-12
11 A. I think it was possibly while we were moving the body
12 from the hallway.
19-20:
19 Q. Can you remember which part of the glove was damaged?
20 A. It appeared to be a thumb.
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As you will see from the latest transcripts from the Inquiry website the 1997 police investigation and related forensic and other examinations are coming under increasing fire.
http://www.thefingerprintinquirys...uk/inquiry/214.html?d-1341904-p=2
Today's evidence was particularly telling with 'I don't remember' becoming a mantra for some witnesses.
The cross examination of Andrew Smith QC has been particularly probing and it is becoming ever clearer that efforts are being made to hide the truth from the Inquiry. Certainly if I had still to appear before the Inquiry as a witness and was not speaking the truth I would rightly be extremely worried.
It is hoped that the fingerprint evidence will begin to be examined shortly and the SCRO experts will have the opportunity to explain to the world just how they reached their conclusions. |
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Big Wullie
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Having Attended the hearing yesterday I was shocked to hear Policeman Gary Gray claim he could not remember lifting the Body from the Bathroom of Marion Ross's house in 2000 but he can remember doing it now.
He came under attack from Ailsa Carmichael of the enquiry team for departing from the evidence he had given them recently claiming he could not remember (This departure comes from a signed Statement he gave the enquiry team)
But then again he did not anticipate the enquiry team would have been given a copy his statement to the Mackay enquiry.
He is also the person that Mr Moffat said Possibly left his left thumb print where Y7 was found when he was lifting the body, as he touched the door post and Mr Moffat had to give him a warning.
Mr Moffat also claimed he noticed afterwards that Gary Gray's left thumb latex Glove was burst which caused him great concern.
He was treated very badly after he came out with this evidence and my personal opinion is this was done because he was bringing the SCRO into disrepute and Lockerbie was coming up soon.
He also sought the opinion of a Solicitor after the Enquiry Team asked for a copy of his Fingerprint for comparison to Y7 though he has submitted his prints.
I am really surprised given the evidence of Mr Moffat years ago regarding the left thumb of Gray that his print has never been compared, and given it was visited by the Mackay enquiry, one would have thought as a matter of course and before the matter became more serious his prints would have been checked.
Admin is correct above with the "I Do Not Remember" comments now coming from most of the witness's.
It was also made abundantly clear yesterday the Scene was treated like a suicide and not a murder with witness's claiming no-one should have been beyond the porch never mind having up to 6 police stationed in the Living Room area overnight.
I really expect Fiona McBride and Co will also do the "I Do Not Remember" thing when they are called to give evidence, and the telling time will come when they are asked in great detail to explain their reasons for claiming Y7 belonged to Shirley.
Andrew Smith is doing a great job of dismantling the lies, Tuesday cannot come soon enough for me, It is like reading a great book that you cannot put down, I am addicted to this enquiry.
My Observations:
Once these scenes of crimes experts have given their evidence they return to their seats to much whispering to others that have still to give their evidence, which would never be allowed in a court of law.
Believe me there have been many happenings like this recently with some changing their seats to get nearer to ones who have just given evidence.
Concerning times ahead for the SCRO and even more concerning times ahead if Y7 Turns out to be that of Gary Gray who has recently been promoted to Sergeant.
Perhaps now he has departed form his signed statement he might find himself demoted back to a PC and at the very least he should be disciplined.
No sign though of the press doing a story of Police Sergeant "Departs" from signed statement to Enquiry but plenty when the scandalous unfounded allegations aired about Shirley the other day.
This is a scandal in itself if you ask me, The press do not want to buck the system or bring the police into disrepute it would seem.
Maybe it's just that a story regarding the police just wouldn't sell papers eh ?
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