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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:05 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

What exactly do you hope to achieve by the Petition?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon wrote:
What exactly do you hope to achieve by the Petition?


have ye no read what iain said on his site about their aims?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the background to the petition see:

http://epetitions.scottish.parlia...backgroundinfo.asp?PetitionID=417

My own view is that I want the Scottish Government to accept responsibility for at least trying to resolve the many unanswered questions surrounding the Lockerbie investigation , prosecution and conviction of Mr Megrahi.

Given that this horrendous crime was committed in Scotland, was investigated and prosecuted in Scotland and sentence was pronounced in a Scottish Court at Camp Zeist, I struggle to see how this is not a Scottish problem.

Given that the Scottish Criminal Case review has already ruled that a miscarriage of justice might have occurred I might be forgiven for believing that our government should be moving heaven and earth to find the truth.

Do I think other governments will co-operate? No I don’t but at least we will have shown the world that it is those outside of Scotland that fear the truth and not the Scottish people.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon wrote:
What exactly do you hope to achieve by the Petition?


would justice be asking for to much?

did ye sign the petition simon?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I repeat, what exactly do you hope to achieve by this Petition since the question of justice within Scotland is a matter initially for the Scottish justiciary?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In short Simon achieving a just society is a constitutional issue and a political goal. Establishing the judiciary and a prosecution system is the way our leaders choose to help achieve that aim. Both were created by those in power and both can be similarly removed.

WE choose therefore to address our leaders and remind them of their duty and responsibilities to the Scottish people.

Do I think they will listen? No but that doesn’t mean the attempt is wrong or misguided.

What suggestions would you bring forward if you believe that knowing the truth about Lockerbie is a right that some of us choose to exercise?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justice for Megrahi group says verdict ‘fatally flawed’ and calls for ministers to re-examine trial evidence

Fresh inquiry call into Lockerbie bomber’s conviction

By Cameron Brooks

Published: 13/10/2010

The Scottish Government has been urged to launch an independent inquiry into the conviction of the Lockerbie bomber.

Campaigners have called on MSPs to put pressure on SNP ministers to re-examine the evidence presented at the trial of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi at Camp Zeist in the Netherlands in 2001.

A group called Justice for Megrahi claims the verdict was “fatally flawed” and says a fresh probe is needed to establish who was really responsible for the atrocity.

Group member Dr Jim Swire said the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission had concluded that the Libyan’s trial may have been a miscarriage of justice.

The campaigner, whose 24-year-old daughter Flora was one of 270 people who died when Pan Am Flight 103 blew up and crashed into Lockerbie in 1988, said the verdict had damaged the reputation of Scotland’s justice system.

Mr Swire, who grew up at Orbost on Skye and still has a home there, said the verdict was skewed by evidence introduced at the 11th hour by the American authorities.

Cancer-stricken al Megrahi was released from Greenock Prison in August last year on compassionate grounds on the basis that he had three months to live.

He is still alive and undergoing cancer treatment in a Tripoli hospital.

Mr Swire said the group had lodged a petition at Holyrood calling for action because the UK and Scottish governments had been playing a “macabre game of ping-pong” over who was responsible for addressing claims Megrahi was wrongly convicted.

Mr Swire, who visited Mr Megrahi in Libya last month, said: “Almost everyone who has looked at the evidence has come to the conclusion it was fatally flawed.

“Megrahi was allowed to start a second appeal but when he saw a chance to get home to his family to die he decided to withdraw it.

“I understand why he did it, but it has left Scotland in a very difficult position.

“The justice system is regarded with scorn in many countries because there is a view that it is available to manipulation. We should be demanding this verdict is reviewed so we can start to recover the reputation of the justice system.”

The Scottish Government said it did not doubt the safety of Megrahi’s conviction but understood that others did.

A spokesman said ministers would be happy to co-operate fully with any inquiry but they were not in a position to order a probe because several countries had an interest.

“The questions to be asked and answered in any such inquiry would be beyond the jurisdiction of Scots Law and the remit of the government,” he said. “Such an inquiry would therefore need to be initiated by those with the required power and authority to deal with an issue, international in its nature.”

Holyrood’s public petitions committee is expected to discuss the issue next month.


Read more: http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/...px/1960015?UserKey=#ixzz12KYaRKlR
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would help if Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi asked for his appeal to be reinstated since the SCCRC have deemed merit in it.

The fact that he dropped his appeal is worrying. Maybe the terms of the Petition should have addressed this.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

be fair simon you dont know a pettion wont achieve anything untill its tried.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Simon is right that the appeal dropped by Mr. Megrahi should be taken up elsewhere as is allowable under the rules.

Ongoing legal action does however mean that petitions must be postponed until the action is complete.

I hope that the appeal will be resurrected in time.
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