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Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 550 Location: Glasgow

Diabolical

In this day and age (Of openness and Honesty being the policy) It is absolutely appalling that they can get away wiith this ludicrous attempt at suppression.
To sieze anyones documents without a valid reason is nothing short of Despotism.

I only hope he now files complaints against them.

Pat A. Wertheim · Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 39 Location: USA

INVESTIGATOR WHO ALLEGED POLICE WRONGDOING IS ARRESTED AND TOLD TO BE SILENT

http://www.thepost.co.za/?fSectio...icleId=vn20080102080819960C348377

The parents of murder victim Inge Lotz hired private investigator Neil van Heerden shortly after the crime. He was hired to conduct a separate investigation into the murder. As soon as the police arrested Fred van der Vyver for the murder (on the basis of evidence they themselves had fabricated), the police told Inge's parents to dismiss van Heerden. Although he had been fired, van Heerden knew Fred was innocent. He held his silence during the trial, but once Fred was found not guilty, van Heerden came forward and filed charges of wrongdoing against the police and prosecutors.

Two weeks ago, police raided van Heerden's home and seized his laptop computers, his desktop computer, and numerous files related to the Lotz murder and other cases he was investigating. Now van Heerden has been formally arrested for "perjury." His crime? -- In an unrelated case some months ago he testified to his business address while he was in the process of moving his office. The move took longer than expected. That rendered the address given in his testimony incorrect. So he was arrested for "perjury" in that case, not related to the Lotz murder. But as a condition of his release on bail, he was instructed not to talk to the press about the Lotz murder or his allegation of police wrongdoing in its investigation.

It appears that an official policy of stonewalling, coverup, and harrassing the whistleblowers has begun in South Africa to prevent the police fabricators of evidence from being brought to justice. And even though the real killers of Inge Lotz have been identified through confessions and other incriminating evidence, no announcement has been made to reoopen the investigation.

My advice to all involved in the exposure of wrongdoing by the police in South Africa is to dig in your heels for the long fight. This promises to be as long a battle as that in Scotland over the Marion Ross murder.

Truthseeker · Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 15

There are moles destroying the SAPS dam wall from the inside. Moles not satisifed with the hole that they've dug themselves into.

The gagging order is like SAPS sticking its little finger into a tiny hole appearing in the dam wall.

Soon it will require more and more fingering, in the holes appearing, to stop the force and flow of the waters of truth.

Inevitably, the damn wall will break.

Pat A. Wertheim · Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 39 Location: USA

Dear Truthseeker,

I hope your prediction is correct. Unfortunately, such a prediction I made almost nine years ago in Scotland has gone woefully unfulfilled. Never underestimate the lengths to which petty politicians and small-minded bureaucrats will go to protect their own little fifedoms. They will sacrifice justice and truth in a heartbeat to meet their own selfish short term goals, with no thought whatsoever of long term goals that might suit either themselves or society better. Be prepared for the long fight and do not let disillusionment force you from the arena, but also expect retaliation and vindictiveness from those who abandoned justice for Inge and, instead, sought Fred's innocent blood.

Then, dear friend, my secret advice would be to follow the latitude a third the way around the globe to the east.

Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 550 Location: Glasgow

Pat

Your highlighting of the above case is great for those seeking Justice and gives us all hope that there are experts out there willing at all costs to tell the truth and most importantly of all to seek the truth.

There are many many similar cases where the judges have heavily criticised the police and prosecution services but i am afraid there are not too many instances where any proper follow up has produced any charges of criminality.

Recently in the Omagh Bombing case the judge has made serious allegations against the Police and Crown Prosecution services and even accused them of trying to beef up their case with lies. See Here:

http://news.scotsman.com/politics...perts-to-examine-Omagh.3640502.jp

In Scotland we all know that Marion Ross's murder will never be re-opened nor re-investigated, Too many worms.
Of interest maybe to people like yourself is another shocking case in Scotland where witnesses who told lies are allowed to move to spain and others not even traced through lack of investigation, We are talking about two Policemen here:

http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2006hcjac30.html

Opinion in brief:

[126] In the letter of 3 February the Deputy Crown Agent said that the procurator fiscal was satisfied that there was no intention on the part of the police deliberately to mislead him. That is not our conclusion. On the fuller information available to us, we conclude that the police deliberately misled the Crown in a serious way. The result was that the procurator fiscal, and in consequence the defence, were kept unaware of evidence having a material bearing on a vital issue. The police thereby induced the Crown to adopt the police theory of the date of the murder and to challenge the credibility and reliability of any defence witness who cast doubt on it. That, in our opinion, was grave misconduct.

Despite this these two have have never been sought to my knowledge by Crown Office yet they pursue the likes of Tommy Sheridan.

Absolute immunity for witness's who give evidence for the Crown must end

Truthseeker · Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 15

Jan Lotz, father of the deceased, said in national Afrikaans newspaper Rapport today that "regardless of the cost", he will "leave no stone unturned" before he knows who murdered Inge.

I don't agree with everything Jan Lotz says, but his quest to find the truth is a noble one.

May he also find assistance and a change in attitude from Attie Trollip and the South African Police Service.

Pat A. Wertheim · Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 39 Location: USA

Sorry, Truthseeker, but the future looks more gloomy all the time. Today, the police charged Werner Carolus, one of the gang who murdered Inge Lotz, with obstructing justice for confessing to the murder. See the article: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?se...art_id=vn20080108022044832C391824

It seems that this is the police logic: Since Fred had been arrested, the confession merely made it harder to prosecute him. Never mind that Fred was at work an hour's drive away when Inge was murdered and all of the evidence against him was completely fabricated. I have seen a videotape of Werner Carolus confessing to the crime and I can tell you plainly that Carolus knew things about the scene that only a person who had been there could have known. He denied committing the murder himself, but he knew the details that had never been released to the press. But since his confession was a hinderance to the prosecution of an innocent man, Fred, Carolus now has to be punished with charges of "defeating the ends of justice." By the way, it might be worth noting that Carolus is himself now in jail for a burglary similar to the one in which Inge was killed.

No, Truthseeker, you and I and a few others may know the truth. But the South Africa Police Service (SAPS) first arrests Neil van Heerden, a private investigator who learned the truth, and now they charge the real killer with the equivalent of perjury for confessing to the murder. It seems the SAPS is more interested in covering up their own crimes than they are in solving the murder of Inge Lotz or removing the bad cops from their own force.
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Truthseeker · Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 15

This cry goes out to the world: South Africa has become a police state. There is no leadership in the SAPS or National Prosecuting Authority and senior officers are running personal vendettas.

Makes one think of the line:

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - George Orwell

Here is a link to the state of the nation:

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?se...art_id=nw20080108192125446C481904

Pat A. Wertheim · Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 39 Location: USA

It is looking worse than ever for hopes of justice in South Africa in relation to the murder of Inge Lotz and the fabrication of evidence by South African Police Services (SAPS) against Fred van der Vyver. The following article implies that problems go all the way to the top and even bleed over into the Scorpions, a national police force that investigates crimes committed by other police.

Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 550 Location: Glasgow

Pat

Great eye openers

Anyone who believes corruption is limited to those police out on the streets are fools.
The big orders for cover ups always come from the top.