No need to thank me, if there is anything i can do you only need ask.
In answer to your question of DNA, With this type of crime it would be very unlkely not to leave any DNA Probably impossible, This is where some of the experts need to stand up and be counted. There must be some reading these comments?
Anyway your comment got me thinking of this U Division and it took me back to the Paddy Meechan Murder which was also Ayrshire and the most recent case of Raymond Gilmour Renfrewshire (Same Area if you ask me) but Ayrshire does not have a good track record when it comes to Fitting People up.
Of course there should be a Judicial Enquiry into their conduct, on this we agree.
Maybe SNP will make some changes and open their own Enquiries into Miscarriages in Scotland or Injustice's In Scotland.
You also have Iain McKie calling for an Enquiry into these murders, So remember you are not alone.
I can understand your sense of Frustration and Anger but please try and calm down and think things through and get all your facts together then start your own Web or Blog. Flickr and Blogs are free and give you an opportunity of reaching the World. If you need help setting any of these up i can of course help on this, just let me know. E-Mail me. If you want to then get the documents to me and i will post them for you.
Hope the Appeal Of Brendan goes well.
Keep the chin up
Good and interesting as it is to get things off our chest it is important to focus on exactly what we are looking for and how we propose to get it.
It is also important to examine what is possible and not continue to hit our heads off the wall - painful for us but having absolutely no affect on the guilty parties or on reaching our goals.
Political, public and media support is also essential.
As I see it any judicial enquiry will not look at the details of innocence or guilt in any individual case but will probe the lessons to be learned and the processes and organisations that require change.
This will then hopefully open the way for action on individual cases.
It would be useful at this stage to draft an enquiry remit. What are the common threads arising from each individual case?
I feel there would be a number of central headings like, The Lord Advocate, the crown office, the legal profession, the police, existing innocence organisations etc etc each with sub heads.
Each individual case could then be used to advise in the preparation of evidence, arguments and principles to support proposals.
An example of Crown Office sub heads would include – openness and accountability, decision-making processes, rights of victims and complainers, relationship with police forces etc etc.
By all means let’s get things off our chests but not forget that in the outside world this will not change anything.
This forum is an opportunity to get our collective heads together and create an agenda for change that can then be presented to the politicians in a powerful and coherent form.
you are absolutely right on all counts,Although you have some understanding of these matters with the case of Shirley. I for one got no sleep last night as i have done on many occasions, This you will never be able to grasp.
Although I commend you for all you have done and i mean all. Shirley was never taken from you for any period of time, In my case i was taken Wrongly from my friends and Family and had to serve 4 Years. Everyone i knew suffered and some still do, as i said no sleep, Panic Attacks, Perspiring, etc etc and i have been fighting for 25 years.
Who knows maybe my sleep pattern will never change (Damaged forever) You can only understand this when it happens to you.
Judging by Shirleys case, no-one and i mean no-one is safe from these dirty Deeds.
If i sound obsessive Iain it's because i am, This is an after effect of a Miscarriage of Justice. Which at this stage i must say, I did not ask for.
At times i cannot see past my own Case, But i must help to improve this corrupt system our Country Allows.
I must share my information and Knowledge Gained by Fighting this Awful System.
I must try and improve these matters so some other family does not ever have to endure what mine did.
Your sound advice is great and our country also need people like youself fighting Miscarriages.
Keep Fighting.
THE TRIAL: ON TUESDAY MARCH 1ST 2005 AT KILMARNOCK HIGH COURT BRENDAN DIXON AND PATRICK DOCHERTY WERE BOTH FOUND GUILTY OF THE MURDER OF MARGARET IRVINE.BOTH MEN WERE GIVEN LIFE SENTENCES FOR A CRIME THAT THEY DID NOT COMMIT.
COLIN MILLER THE THIRD ACCUSED WAS FOUND NOT PROVEN.THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE IN THE CASE.
THE CASE WAS BASED ON HEARSAY AND CIRCUMSTATIAL EVIDENCE.
THE POLICE RECOVERED DNA AND FOOTPRINTS FROM THE MURDER SCENE THAT DO NOT BELONG TO ANY OF THE ACCUSED. A NUMBER OF KEY WITNESSES,WHO ARE NO STRANGERS TO POLICE HAD THEMSELVES BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE MURDER. SEVERAL OF THESE WITNESSES AGAINST BRENDAN AND PATRICK WERE PROVEN IN COURT TO HAVE LIED WHILE GIVING EVIDENCE.
THE MURDER: ON SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 28TH 2003, 91 YEAR OLD GALSTON WOMAN MARGARET IRVINE WAS MURDERED. SHE WAS FOUND BY HER CARER AT 4.50 PM SHE HAD BEEN GAGGED AND HAD HANDS TIED BEHIND HER BACK WITH A BELT. THE CAUSE OF DEATH WAS ASPHYXIA DUE TO HER CHOCKING ON THE DUSTER THAT HAD BEEN PLACED IN HER MOUTH. MRS IRVINE WAS LAST SEEN ALIVE AT 7.OO AM BY THE CARER WHO CAME IN TO MAKE HER BREAKFAST. SHE INSTRUCTED THE CARER TO LEAVE THE DOOR UNLOCKED TO ENABLE OTHERS TO GAIN ENTRY. MRS IRVINE WAS DESCRIBED AS BEEN MENTALLY ALERT ALTHOUGH SHE WAS HOUSEBOUND.
ON OCTOBER 31ST 2003 BRENDAN DIXON AND PATRICK DOCHERTY WERE BOTH CHARGED WITH THE MURDER OF MARGARET IRVINE. COLIN MILLER WAS CHARGED ALMOST A YEAR LATER.
THE ORIGINAL SUSPECT HOWEVER WAS COLIN MILLER,WHO MET BRENDAN DIXON IN KILMARNOCK HMP,
(COLIN MILLER WAS IN FOR A WEEK FOR NON-PAYMENT OF FINES AND BRENDAN DIXON WAS IN FOR SMASHING HIS EX-GIRLFRIENDS WINDOWS);COLIN MILLER WAS ATTACKED BY CONS WHIST IN PRISON FOR HIS PART IN THE MURDER.BRENDAN DIXON TRIES TO REASSURE HIM BY TELLING HIM THE POLICE WERE ALSO PUTTING HIM AND PATRICK DOCHERTY FORWARD AS SUSPECTS AND MANY OTHER KNOWN CRIMINALS.
AS SOON AS HE GOT RELEASED FROM PRISON COLIN MILLER WENT TO THE POLICE AND MADE A THIRD STATEMENT, ONLY THIS TIME HE SAYS HE SAW BRENDAN DIXON AND PATRICK DOCHERTY, IN CATHERINE DRIVE, WHICH HE CHANGES IN A FOURTH STATEMENT TO SEEING THEM OUTSIDE MRS IRVINE'S HOUSE. COLIN MILLER THEN BECOMES CHIEF WITNESS, THAT IS UNTIL ALMOST A YEAR LATER WHEN THE PF REALISES THAT COLIN MILLER COULDN'T HAVE SEEN ANYONE FROM WHERE HE STATES,AND EVENTUALLY AFTER TEN MONTHS IS CHARGED WITH MRS IRVINE'S MURDER;BUT ONLY AFTER BEING THE ONLY WITNESS CLAIMING TO HAVE SEEN BRENDAN AND PATRICK AT THE SCENE OF CRIME.
COLIN MILLER WAS THE ONLY WITNESS THAT CLAIMED TO HAVE SEEN BRENDAN AND PATRICK NEAR THE SCENE ON THE MORNING OF THE MURDER. IT WAS PROVEN IN COURT THAT COLIN MILLER COULD NOT HAVE SEEN BRENDAN OF PATRICK FROM THE LOCATION THAT HE CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN AT.
COLIN MILLER WAS THE ONLY PERSON SPOTTED NEAR THE SCENE THAT MORNING.MRS PATON A NEIGHBOUR OF MRS IRVINE,STATED IN COURT THAT SHE WAS UP EARLY THAT SUNDAY MORNING. SHE LOOKED OF HER WINDOW AND SEEN COLIN MILLER THREE TIMES, AT 6.00 AM , 6.40 AM, AND AGAIN AT 7.00 AM.
HOWEVER WITNESSES FOR COLIN MILLER STATED IN COURT THAT HE SPENT THE SATURDAY NIGHT AT THEIR HOUSE. THEY STATED THAT HE DID NOT LEAVE THEIR HOUSE UNTIL 7.50 AM ON THE MORNING OF THE MURDER. LATER THAT MORNING COLIN MILLER WAS AR ANOTHER FRIENDS HOUSE. AFTER RECEIVING A TEXT MESSAGE, AROUND 10 AM COLIN MILLER WENT OUTSIDE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL. SHORTLY AFTER HE RETURNED TO THE HOUSE, HE WAS IN A RAGE AND HIT HIS FRIEND ON THE HEAD AND FACE WITH A HAMMER.
ANOTHER NEIGHBOUR OF MRS IRVINE WAS MRS MC CARTNEY,IN COURT SHE STATED, AT AROUND 10AM SHE HEARD A MALE VOICE SHOUTING ARE YOU THERE? SHE LOOKED OUT HER WINDOW AND SEEN A MALE FROM THE BACK STANDING IN THE KITCHEN OF THE MURDER SCENE.SHE ALSO STATED THAT SHE NOTICED A MALE STANGER PASSING BY HER HOUSE EARLY ON THE MORNING OF THE MURDER.
BOTH BRENDAN AND PATRICK HAD SEPERATE ALIBIS TO STATE THAT THEY WERE NO WHERE NEAR THE GALSTON VICINITY ON THE MORNING OF SUNDAY 28 TH SEPTEMBER 2003, WHEN MRS IRVINE WAS MURDERED.
IF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT WAS STILL CARRIED OUT IN BRITAIN TODAY, A LOT OF INNOCENT MEN AND WOMEN WOULD NOT BE ALIVE TO TELL THEIR STORIES OF POLICE CORRUPTION, AND UNDERHAND DEALINGS IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM!
NO JUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE FOR MARGARET IRVINE OR HER FAMILY.
GALSTON IS A SMALL COMMUNITY; AND THE MURDERS OF MARGARET IRVINE MUST BE KNOWN TO SOMEONE IN THE AREA.
As an outsider there appear to be obvious similarities between the two murders.
I need to go back and read up on your plight, and will get back to you.
One other thing struck me over this. Is there any link between the two murders with regards to Senior Personnel from Strathclyde Police? Were any Senior Investigating Officers involved in Marion Ross's murder investigation involved in Margaret Irvine's murder investigation?
Does anyone know and has this been looked at before?
That would open up another can of worms if there was any police link!
THANKS REBUS THERE IS A LOT IN COMMON WITH THE 2 CASES CID WISE, COULD YOU LOOK AT BRENDANS CASE ON THE NEWSPAPER REPORTS, THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILIAR THINGS ABOUT THE TWO CASES . THERE IS A FIT UP IN U DIVISION,{ removed by fk2 } IS A KNOWN INFORMANT. READ UP ON THE CASE THANKS FREETHEKILLIE2.
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