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Pat A. Wertheim · Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 35 Location: USA

I learned an interesting fact this morning after I had posted. It seems that Inspector Trollip lives in the same subdivision as the Lotz family and is a prominent citizen of that small community, active in his church, etc. The speculation among some in South Africa is that Inspector Trollip has maintained the relationship he nurtured with the Lotzes during the early days of the investigation when their support was necessary to the prosecution of Fred. Now, it is believed that Trollip himself has been influential in the Lotz's decision to sue Fred for damages. This is triple victimization of the parents of murder victim Inge Lotz. Victimized first by their daughter's murder; then by the police for ignoring the confessed killer, Werner Carolus, and fabricating evidence to charge Inge's boyfriend, Fred; and now through a scheme to further attack Fred, the only person more victimized in this sordid mess than Inge herself. Meanwhile, the police investigators and experts who fabricated evidence against Fred while ingoring the confession of the real killer, and the prosecutors aware of the police manipulations, seem immune from any consequences for their actions.

Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 486 Location: Glasgow

Pat

It seems they have copied our "Absolute Immunity" for witnesses who give evidence on behalf of the Crown.
This Werner Carolus certainly needs fully investigated without delay.
It is possible the true murderer could strike again which would severely damage the reputation of the police and in particular Trollip.

Inge's family should wake up and smell the coffee and have nothing more to do with this Trollip character, He seems a right Animal intent on revenge for being proven to have lied at the trial.

He should be on trial without hesitation to allay the fears of the public that people will not be fitted up in this way ever again.

The fabrication of evidence by him must be addressed

Truthseeker · Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 15

Mr. Beck, these events have all the makings of a carefully orchestrated coverup. I for one believe the state prosecutors definitely have a hand in this.

The latest action by the Lotzes don't have the slightest chance of success and the police know it. However, it takes the attention off the officers and the fabricated evidence, for the moment.

For the moment the rats have breathing space.

But, money makes the world go round. The financier will enter the fray....

Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 486 Location: Glasgow

Truthseeker

Carefully orchestrated right enough.
The actions now being raised are merely diversionary from the bigger picture.

Can you explain your last comment please:

The financier will enter the fray.... ?

To afford equality of arms Absolute Immunity should be abolished.

William Beck

Iain McKie · Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 173 Location: Ayr, Scotland.

Pat,

What is occurring in South Africa is truly terrifying.

After a trial that exposed deception, cover-up and criminality at the very heart of the prosecution the raising of a civil action by the Lotz family against Fred defies comprehension and points to the suspicion that even in their grieving they are being used to protect the guilty.

http://www.news24.com:80/News24/S.../News/0,,2-7-1442_2289116,00.html

While the reputation of the Scottish justice system suffered over the years from the fallout from the SCRO debacle I fear it will be nothing to the damage inflicted on the South African system by this horrendous affair.

It is the internet that has revealed the true scale of the injustice being suffered by both families and the same medium gives concerned people across the world the opportunity to have our voices heard at the very highest level in the South African government.

Can I suggest we raise an internet petition on www.clpex.com and www.shirleymckie.com in which we can voice that support and concern. The petition would be sent to the South African government with an appeal for an urgent enquiry into all the circumstances surrounding the tragic death of Inge Lotz.

If you agree we can frame a suitable document with time given for people to respond. There are a number of issues to be resolved if the petition is to have any credibility and obviously permission requires to be obtained from Fred and his family. I would do nothing to add to the grossly unjust pressure placed on them by a system and individuals within that system who stand accused of, through criminal behaviour, seeking to destroy a family whose only action was to protect the son they loved.

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’

Best wishes,

Iain

Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 486 Location: Glasgow

Iain

What a great idea to start these petitions, and make sure they are sent to the South African Governments.
I hope you will initiate these and post them for all to sign.

Best wishes to Fred and his family in their quest for "Justice"

http://bigwulliebeck.blogspot.com...ction-joke-from-crown-office.html

William Beck

Iain McKie · Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 173 Location: Ayr, Scotland.

Big Wullie · Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 486 Location: Glasgow

1001 litres of shit best describes the way our own SCCRC are being run in my view.

Cops across the country interviewed by Grobler told her that criminality in the police is "chronic" and occurs "in every unit and in every police station".

The above sounds a bit like Scotlands police forces, Take Fife for an example, The Allison and Johnston Cases, One of Scotlands Major Miscarriages and where the judges agreed there was criminality involved yet none of the police have ever been charged.

The next article now describes another three police from Fife Apparently still up to their old tricks:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25566263@N04/2426209448/sizes/l/

Concocting stories, You would think they would have learned by the action beforehand but no.

To gain any decent respect again our police forces need to be held to account for their actions and charged for their criminality.

Our once respected system throughout the world is rapidly diminishing.