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Lie Detectors: The system is wearing two faces
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Karen



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:05 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Bamber still has to explain Julie Mugfords evidence that he told her he was going to kill them


Julie testified that Jeremy hired a hit man with a cast iron alibi, she never said he killed his family himself. Why did he cheat on her if she knew what he had done? How did she go to bed at night with him knowing what he had done? Why did she have 32 interviews with police before she rustled up the story of the hit man? Julie’s story doesn’t convince me and I wonder how it managed to convince anyone. What I have seen of her she appears monotone, dull but from what we know of her I doubt she was afraid of Jeremy and if she had the opportunity to be free of him why did she take such a long time?  Julie was a working class girl. She must have thought all her Christmases had come at one when she met with Jeremy, rich, intelligent, good looking, well educated the envy of every man. He could have had any woman he wanted and she knew that. She must have felt lucky to have been the chosen one.

Julie she was doing an MA at university to be a teacher.  She had committed cheque book fraud with her friend by reporting it stolen and going on a spree with her friend. There are statements showing that she would have immunity from prosecution over this matter if she testified against Jeremy and if she didn’t she would have a criminal record and never be the teacher she wanted to be. She is now head teacher at a school in Canada. Jeremy cheated on Julie with her friend, he admits it’s true. Julie also claimed Jeremy was bisexual and this was used in evidence against him. Why on earth would anyone tell their girlfriend they were going to do those killings and not make her his alibi? Why did he cheat on her with her own best mate? Surely it would have been his priority to keep her sweet? Julie also said in other statements that she had hired a solicitor to handle the press offering her money for her story, she raked in a cool 25k on Jeremy's conviction (worth a lot more in 1985 than by today's standards) from the News of the World. Julie Mugford, I am convinced personally that .........MODERATED OUT: DEFAMATORY

http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/robin-cox


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Five years ago, he took and passed a lie-detector test. He has seen numerous therapists and psychiatrists in his time in prison, none of whom has suggested that he is mentally unstable, let alone a psychopath.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011...-bamber-innocent-of-murder-appeal

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/vide.../jeremy-bamber-new-evidence-video
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the state is ether knowingly releasing dangerous and uncured sex  sex offenders back into the community or its knowingly keeping innocent people in prison.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting discussion.

It appears as if there is a total lack of consistency in respect of lie detector results and from a research perspective the jury is certainly still out.

It would appear however that detectors could have a part to play in highlighting the possibility that people were lying or telling the truth but it is making an unjustified leap of faith to say that the results provide conclusive proof.  

Certainly there is a case for a careful evaluation of the uses detectors might have at a number of levels. Beyond that little more definitive can be said.

As with expert evidence we require to be careful before any such evidence is allowed. How reliable is the equipment, how well trained, efficient and tested is the operator, how easy or hard is it to beat the system, what are the safeguards being put in place to avoid mistakes etc etc are only some of the questions we should ask before establishing lie detectors as part of the justice armoury.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to buy a polygraph lie detector. I am thinking to buy a polygraph from here.

https://www.lie-detector.info

Does anyone have experience with that product?


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