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Big Wullie



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:59 am    Post subject: Once A Criminal  Reply with quote

http://www.theopinionsite.org/crb...police-warning-given-when-aged-11
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Essentially, if you have any cause to be formally warned or reprimanded by the police when you are a child 10 years of age or older, that will constitute a criminal record for the purposes of CRB checks and could possible prevent you from ever working, obtaining insurance or even potentially dis-allow you from volunteering.



I am astounded by this ruling and by the fact this could affect whether someone gets a job.

In essence what this is saying is, if you only make one mistake as a kid, then as an adult you forget all about it, since it was only really a row and not a conviction, and don't proclaim it then forget the job because you either lied or misled them!!

How many people would think of writing on an application form that when they were 10, the police gave them a right telling off?

The age of criminal responsibility is 10 but advances in neuroscience suggest the age of criminal responsibility might be too low

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16153045

This ruling is saying this kids "crime" is never going to be forgotten, even though for the next ten years he committed no other crime.

Does this mean then that there is no redemption for anyone?  That rehabilitation is not worth trying? Or that people cannot change?

Shocking!!! Not only shocking I actually feel very angry at this.

Surely people deserve another chance?

Surely this petty crime which only at the time merited a reprimand and no conviction, should not be allowed to follow this guy around for the rest of his life?

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So much for democracy and a ‘fair and just’ society.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that if there are 5 years between convictions and none are over two and a half years then they would be considered spent.

I would think also the Government should be watching this debate with a view to changing this law to bring it into line with human rights and particularly peoples right to work and provide for their families, but most importantly to allow for rehabilitation to be effective.

How would it be possible for people to be integrated back into society if no one will employ them because of their previous convictions.

I fully understand if people want to work with children then they must go through disclosure but this case really takes the biscuit and I would bet most police officers would also agree.

Any thoughts Iain ?

Personally I think our Government do not do enough to rehabilitate offenders.

Considering there is a large majority of offenders serving sentences who cannot read or write would it not be better to spend more money to educate them before they leave or even better teach them some basic trades and skills in the hope they find a job and do not re-offend.

Most offences are carried out because of poverty or because people are not educated enough are they not ?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.samh.org.uk/​med...samh_rese​arch_briefing.doc

http://www.samh.org.uk/media/R...samh_research_bri​efing.doc

http://www.samh.org.uk/our-work/policy-campaigns/criminal-justice


• Unemployment, education and social exclusion

The majority of prisoners in Scotland are from poor socio-economic backgrounds, with underlying causes of offending related to drug and alcohol misuse, mental ill health and physical and sexual abuse. In most cases, there has also been poor connection during childhood with the education system: 60% of offenders have literacy and numeracy levels at SCQF level 4 or below, compared to 15% of adults across Scotland.  The HMIP 2008-09 Annual Report states:  

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“Bad physical health, bad mental health, bad educational attainment, bad employment record, bad addiction history, bad family support, bad self-esteem, bad company, bad criminal record. That is the typical picture of a prisoner arriving at the prison gate to start a sentence.”

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone ever follow up what happened in this case?  Would be interesting to find out.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question for you Karen Torley....

Just how many fake user names do you have over the internet?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On second thoughts - let me rephrase that for you...

Do you have more fake user names than Kevin Craigie or less?

Readers may wonder what relevance this has to this thread but all will become apparent - all in good time....
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephanie Hall wrote:
On second thoughts - let me rephrase that for you...

Do you have more fake user names than Kevin Craigie or less?

Readers may wonder what relevance this has to this thread but all will become apparent - all in good time....


Blah Blah Blah

I am still waiting on you producing evidence you said you had against me and you were going to be using in your book.

You and your partner Simon have done nothing but wrongly accuse me of posting on other forums under different names, Accusing me of being involved with people I do not even know so show us the proof you have and stop playing these childish games Mrs Hall.

I think you need to look closer to home to see who is using all the different names and start with your partner Simonw ho has attacked every campaign he has ever been involoved with.

He even had the audacity to create John_Scott as one of his user names.

Tells you all you need to know.

Most Divisive this forum has ever seen he was once described as, hint hint.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Wullie wrote:
Stephanie Hall wrote:
On second thoughts - let me rephrase that for you...

Do you have more fake user names than Kevin Craigie or less?

Readers may wonder what relevance this has to this thread but all will become apparent - all in good time....


Blah Blah Blah

I am still waiting on you producing evidence you said you had against me and you were going to be using in your book.

You and your partner Simon have done nothing but wrongly accuse me of posting on other forums under different names, Accusing me of being involved with people I do not even know so show us the proof you have and stop playing these childish games Mrs Hall.

I think you need to look closer to home to see who is using all the different names and start with your partner Simonw ho has attacked every campaign he has ever been involoved with.

He even had the audacity to create John_Scott as one of his user names.

Tells you all you need to know.

Most Divisive this forum has ever seen he was once described as, hint hint.


1. My question was to KAREN TORLEY!

2. When the book is produced; you will be able to read the evidence - along with everyone else.

3. The ONLY partner I have is my gorgeous husband Simon; I do not need anyone holding my hand. My 'partner' as you refer to him does not have access to the internet as he is in prison!

4. I have 100% proof to back up my claims!

5. My question was posed to Karen Torley!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephanie Hall wrote:
Big Wullie wrote:
Stephanie Hall wrote:
On second thoughts - let me rephrase that for you...

Do you have more fake user names than Kevin Craigie or less?

Readers may wonder what relevance this has to this thread but all will become apparent - all in good time....


Blah Blah Blah

I am still waiting on you producing evidence you said you had against me and you were going to be using in your book.

You and your partner Simon have done nothing but wrongly accuse me of posting on other forums under different names, Accusing me of being involved with people I do not even know so show us the proof you have and stop playing these childish games Mrs Hall.

I think you need to look closer to home to see who is using all the different names and start with your partner Simonw ho has attacked every campaign he has ever been involoved with.

He even had the audacity to create John_Scott as one of his user names.

Tells you all you need to know.

Most Divisive this forum has ever seen he was once described as, hint hint.


1. My question was to KAREN TORLEY!

2. When the book is produced; you will be able to read the evidence - along with everyone else.

3. The ONLY partner I have is my gorgeous husband Simon; I do not need anyone holding my hand. My 'partner' as you refer to him does not have access to the internet as he is in prison!

4. I have 100% proof to back up my claims!

5. My question was posed to Karen Torley!


The partner I was referring to is Simon AKA John Lamberton.

What does you husband make of him ?

What does your husband make of his attacks on INUK ?

What does your husband make of his name being used to attack other campaigners ?

Does he have access as he has claimed under Simon to Simon Hall's case papers and letters from INUK ?

Is he part of Simon Hall's defence team ?

I was only pointing out you have already accused me wrongly of the very same things and attributed comments to me I have never made.

Please tell us where you are getting this info from and please do not tell us it is Simon AKA John Lamberton ?


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